Do these work???

[Wayne County Hose]

Dougster, the reason is simple. The demand does not warrant manufacture of these fittings. Agriculture may find them useful, but ag is a small fraction of the hose and fitting business. Also, from what I understand, reusables are on their way out so I doubt you will see any new offerings. The liability on these things is outrageous. Too many people mixing and matching and then an end blows off under pressure. Pow, lawsuit. Many companies are not even calling them reusable but field attachable instead. Weatherhead catalogs now have a disclaimer on page 3 of their catalogs. They warn to only install a field attachable fitting on hose specified in their catalog. It's a shame that many of you don't have a reputable hose shop in your area.

 

[Dougster]

It's a shame that many of you don't have a reputable hose shop in your area.

Well, we can certainly agree on that. Can't even begin to tell you the insults, hassles, put-offs, quirky staff and crazy prices I've encountered around here. Those hoses are not made out of gold ya know. And I am not something they stepped in. But when they know they've got you in a bind, they squeeze very hard.

Today, I am in such a bind. Looks like I'm going to end up paying five times what a set of hoses would have cost me from DHH... just to have it in my hands by the end of the day.

Dougster

 

[Wayne County Hose]

Just remember, the hose from DHH is an inferior product. Different manufacturers test these knockoff hoses against their own and the difference is amazing. I have some of their hose in my shop. When I figure out how to post a pic, (I just read a great post from a member on picture posting) I will post a side by side pic of their hose and Weatherhead hose. The strength is in the wire spirals and the difference is clear. I do know exactly what you mean about hose shops mistreating customers. They act like they are the only game in town.

I do own and operate a hydraulic hose and cylinder shop. I will give anybody on this site 60% off of list. I will even fax you a copy of the factory price sheet. I don't believe you will find a lower price anywhere for a crimped hose.

 

[Dougster]

Just remember, the hose from DHH is an inferior product. Different manufacturers test these knockoff hoses against their own and the difference is amazing. I have some of their hose in my shop. When I figure out how to post a pic, (I just read a great post from a member on picture posting) I will post a side by side pic of their hose and Weatherhead hose. The strength is in the wire spirals and the difference is clear. I do know exactly what you mean about hose shops mistreating customers. They act like they are the only game in town. I do own and operate a hydraulic hose and cylinder shop. I will give anybody on this site 60% off of list. I will even fax you a copy of the factory price sheet. I don't believe you will find a lower price anywhere for a crimped hose.

By the way, I was wrong about that five times DHH's prices. Make that seven times DHH's prices. I am still in shock as I am writing this.

I do appreciate what you're trying to tell me, but I'm having trouble believing that all these apparently satisfied DHH customers are about to suffer a huge series of hydraulic hose or fitting failures. Is 2,500 PSIG service that critical when mainly dealing with 3/8" 2-wire hose and fittings?

I will admit that I am willing to pay up to 3 or 4 times as much for a locally-made, professionally-made, quickly-made hydraulic hose. Those guys have got to eat too. But the prices I encountered today were absolute highway robbery. It may be fine that they charge the big boys that kind of money... but this struggling little independent businessman has simply got to shop elsewhere.

Dougster

 

[Wayne County Hose]

I'm not saying that you put on the DHH hose and it will explode. I am saying that it won't last as long or put up with the abuse that a Gates, Parker, Aeroquip, or Weatherhead hose will take. It's like buying a cheap set of tires or a good set. You get what you pay for. The corrosion protection is also severely lacking in their stuff. I have seen the tests.

Seven times DHH prices is just robbery. Yes, we have to make a living too, but that's way too much. Just keep in mind, the internet sites don't have store front and all the other associated retail costs that we do. They also make their money in volume, we make it in pieces. I have fittings here that I know I will still have in five years, but god forbid I don't have it when somebody needs it. I'll never make a nickel on those fittings. I would make more putting that money in a savings account.

Internet sites like DHH are simply a distributor. I have about $45,000 in hose crimping equipment in my shop and another $50,000 in tooling. Internet sites don't have that overhead. I also give technical help to my customers that internet sites can't even comprehend. They hire phone jockeys from a temp agency for $9.00 an hour. I also have about $1,000 in O-rings (yes, o-rings) that I have never charged a nickel for. Please excuse my rant, but I get people all the time telling me they can get stuff a dollar cheaper online or at Sam's Club. I tell them to go there, and when they have a problem, go ask them for technical advice.

Look, I hope I don't come off as being a jerk. These hose shops ripping people off make me look bad, and internet sites offering nothing but a sale are putting guys like me (and you) out of business. Ugh, time for my blood pressure meds, bought locally thanks.

 

[Dougster]

Look, I hope I don't come off as being a jerk. These hose shops ripping people off make me look bad, and internet sites offering nothing but a sale are putting guys like me (and you) out of business. Ugh, time for my blood pressure meds, bought locally thanks.

I won't bust you any further. The world is as it is and folks in your business around me are simply charging what they are able to charge the "big boys" and get away with. But the other reality is that I can't afford to pay it and stay in business myself. It's as simple as that.

Dougster

 

[tlbuser]

Look, I hope I don't come off as being a jerk. These hose shops ripping people off make me look bad, and internet sites offering nothing but a sale are putting guys like me (and you) out of business. Ugh, time for my blood pressure meds, bought locally thanks.

First off, welcome to the site. And, I wholeheartedly agree with it being a bad thing to put out the mom and pop shops, but when I don't get the "service" end of the deal, why pay more?

Now that we have a resident pro, I just recently had some hoses made locally. I got 2 each 10' 302-4 with 10343-6-4 and 10643-6-4 fittings for a total price of $111.44. Was their price in the reasonable ballpark?

 

[Wayne County Hose]

302-4 is not in my interchange book, but I'm going to guess that it is 2 wire, 1/4" 5,000 p.s.i. Parker hose. 1 wire runs about 20% less money. Fittings are 1/4" hose, male JIC -6 on one side, female -6 JIC on the other. At 60% off of list, price is $63.99 for both. 1 wire would be $54.47 for 2 hoses. Depending if they are a distributor, associate, or just some putzes with a crimper, they at least tripled their money. Maybe more.

You ever want these hoses or if anybody else does, this is the price. As far as service goes, advice is always free, and I make hoses 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Hoses don't always blow at 10:00 Tuesday morning. I was in my shop until 8:00 last night doing hoses for a stone picker so that he could be picking stone at 7 a.m.

Look, I didn't come on here looking to make sales. If the moderator chooses, he can remove my contact info and I will not be upset. I will still share my knowledge here as there are many people here that I learn from also. I'm a former dairy farmer and that's the way we operate.

Dougster, that's a shame. If it's that bad out there, did you ever think of going into the hose business? That's a big reason I did. Overinflated prices and lack of stock in this area.

 

[Dougster]

Dougster, that's a shame. If it's that bad out there, did you ever think of going into the hose business? That's a big reason I did. Overinflated prices and lack of stock in this area.

Short answer: YES!!!

Longer answer: For the four small diameter hydraulic hoses that I need right away, best price I got locally was more than I GROSS in a 10-hour workday working with the backhoe at my full published daily billing rate (which is only rarely reality). If I could NET in a typical week what they wanted for those four hoses, I would be one very happy man.

Dougster

 

[tlbuser]

Thanks for the reply. Yea, I shouldn't have gone down that path, but Dougster always comes up with the most controversial stuff