dodge ecodeisel or ford f150 ecoboost

[fordmantpw]

Yep but lets see how many 100,000 miles they go , we know the typical truck V8 engine can with proper oil changes make it without too much hassle , but how long will the turbos go , might do great , or might cost $2300 or more .

Ford F-15 EcoBoost Replacement Cost | Tundra Headquarters Blog

What's the difference between a diesel turbo and a gas turbo? Diesel are touted for longevity, even though they use turbos, where GTDI engines get blasted for having turbos. Seriously, what the heck?

Not to mention, diesels are harder on turbos due to the extra soot coming out the exhaust.

 

[Snobdds]

The ecoboost uses both oil and coolant to preserve the longevity of the turbo.

Turbos go for hundred of thousands of miles. It's two wheels linked by a floating bearing in oil. The bearing and thrust washers is the only wear item and the kits to rebuild a turbo is less than $50. Why buy two new turbos?

I regularly take out and clean and inspect the turbo on my 6.0 all the time. Not once yet has it needed a new bearing. The soot on the VGT vanes are what make a turbo over boost or under boost. But it only takes 20 minutes to clean everything up. Gas does not produce the soot like diesel, so I fully expect to not even touch the turbos on my ecoboost.

 

[HHR]

The turbos on these rigs are not what I'm worried about. It's the high pressure fuel system and it's related components.
I like to stand by the old quote:
"Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication."
-Leonardo da Vinci

 

[wawajake]

Another good point about them HHR ! ............And Snobdds I guess all the ecoboost owners are mechanics like you and besides drilling holes in the turbos will be doing their own maintenance on the turbo bearings .......I'll stick to a more simple V8 that gets better gas mileage when under load, and still plenty of power.

 

[downslope]

The turbos on these rigs are not what I'm worried about. It's the high pressure fuel system and it's related components.
I like to stand by the old quote:
"Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication."
-Leonardo da Vinci

With turbo gas engines, isn't it the same "high pressure" fuel system as found in all non-turbo gasoline direct injection cars and light trucks? The pressure is high, but nothing like a common rail diesel.

I don't think the 5.0 Cummins will get near the MPG of the Eco diesel. I feel ram got it right with the half ton diesel go for mileage. If you need to tow heavy look at the 3/4 and up offerings.

You won't be getting g 30+ mpg...20+ yes but 30 ain't gonna happen

Ram 15 Mileage | Fuelly

 

[fordmantpw]

With turbo gas engines, isn't it the same "high pressure" fuel system as found in all non-turbo gasoline direct injection cars and light trucks? The pressure is high, but nothing like a common rail diesel.

Yes it is.

 

[sd455dan]

Yes it is.

[The turbos on these rigs are not what I'm worried about. It's the high pressure fuel system and it's related components.]

One of the differences that may affect long term reliability is the lubricity of diesel versus gasoline.
... will these DI gas injectors/pumps make 200k miles consistently?

 

[downslope]

[The turbos on these rigs are not what I'm worried about. It's the high pressure fuel system and it's related components.]

One of the differences that may affect long term reliability is the lubricity of diesel versus gasoline.
... will these DI gas injectors/pumps make 200k miles consistently?

I hope so, they're found in almost every car sold today; but I guess time will tell.
Weren't there also reported some issues with deposits building up on intake valves?

 

[Snobdds]

Another good point about them HHR ! ............And Snobdds I guess all the ecoboost owners are mechanics like you and besides drilling holes in the turbos will be doing their own maintenance on the turbo bearings .......I'll stick to a more simple V8 that gets better gas mileage when under load, and still plenty of power.

Ok so you don't do you're own stuff; which is fine, but I think you missed the entire point. The system has both oil and coolant keeping the turbos in good running health for a long time. Plus, if the Turbo does go for some reason, pay someone 2 hours of labor to pull the turbos and rebuilt them for $50 each. At most you in it for $400. The power they add to the system, especially if your at altitude like I am, is far greater than the benefits of a simple design.

Remember, a naturally aspirated engine looses 3% of it's power for every 1,000 feet of elevation increase. I'm at 7,000 feet above sea level, a naturally aspirated engine is already 21% down on power up here. With turbos, I'm only loosing maybe 2% from elevation. That is a huge bonus that many just don't know or understand that fact. I've been waiting years for a major manufacturer to finally produce a factory turbo set up in a truck.

 

[Snobdds]

Another good point about them HHR ! ............And Snobdds I guess all the ecoboost owners are mechanics like you and besides drilling holes in the turbos will be doing their own maintenance on the turbo bearings .......I'll stick to a more simple V8 that gets better gas mileage when under load, and still plenty of power.

Ok so you don't do you're own stuff; which is fine, but I think you missed the entire point. The system has both oil and coolant keeping the turbos in good running health for a long time. Plus, if the Turbo does go for some reason, pay someone 2 hours of labor to pull the turbos and rebuilt them for $50 each. At most you in it for $400. The power they add to the system, especially if your at altitude like I am, is far greater than the benefits of a simple design.

Remember, a naturally aspirated engine looses 3% of it's power for every 1,000 feet of elevation increase. I'm at 7,000 feet above sea level, a naturally aspirated engine is already 21% down on power up here. With turbos, I'm only loosing maybe 2% from elevation. That is a huge bonus that many just don't know or understand that fact. I've been waiting years for a major manufacturer to finally produce a factory turbo set up in a truck.

 

[sd455dan]

[. I've been waiting years for a major manufacturer to finally produce a factory turbo set up in a truck.]





While not a True Factory build... Could have bought a Syclone years before Ford introduced a turboed truck...4x4 and the Fastest production truck in the world at the time

Or gone with the Lightning and it's blown engine instead of a turbo if only a Ford will do.

I do agree with your assessment that at 7000 feet a truck equipped a NA engine will not cut it...

 

[TheGoose]

I also bought a '12 EB and it is also easily the worst truck I have ever owned. Multiple problems with the truck and the engine idles like crap at 70K miles. Sure, it has tons of power, but it hasn't been reliable truck. If you do get a eco boost make sure you install a catch can and drill a hole in the intercooler to let out the water. Also get the extended warranty.

I bought a 2012 ecoboost brand new in 2012. It was the worst truck I ever owned. I have posted about it several times.

My current truck is a 16 GMC 1 ton and my last truck was a 15 F-250. Both good trucks. If I was in the market for a half ton today I would look really hard at the Eco diesel.

 

[Diamondpilot]

I also bought a '12 EB and it is also easily the worst truck I have ever owned. Multiple problems with the truck and the engine idles like crap at 70K miles. Sure, it has tons of power, but it hasn't been reliable truck. If you do get a eco boost make sure you install a catch can and drill a hole in the intercooler to let out the water. Also get the extended warranty.

My 2012 has been flew less. 72,000 miles and nothing but routine maintenance other than a $75 heater resistance pack.

Still on the factory brakes and it gets used to,tow 3 days a week or so.

Chris

 

[sd455dan]

I also bought a '12 EB and it is also easily the worst truck I have ever owned. Multiple problems with the truck and the engine idles like crap at 70K miles. Sure, it has tons of power, but it hasn't been reliable truck. If you do get a eco boost make sure you install a catch can and drill a hole in the intercooler to let out the water. Also get the extended warranty.

Wow- i remember when you were looking for a new truck: and bought the eco boost F150 http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/trailers-transportation/240289-buying-new-truck-12.html

Just wondering what all went wrong?

Did the mileage stay good over the years- When you brought it home it was getting impressive mileage for 70 mph.

 

[coobie]

Wow- i remember when you were looking for a new truck: and bought the eco boost F150 http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/trailers-transportation/240289-buying-new-truck-12.html

Just wondering what all went wrong?

Did the mileage stay good over the years- When you brought it home it was getting impressive mileage for 70 mph.

Look at his last post on page 22 of that link you listed.

 

[TheGoose]

Must be Indiana tough. I guess I just need Texas tough.

For the person who asked the electric steering had to be replaced at 65k miles for $1800, brakes were shot at 50k, and now the a/c needs an evap coil at 70k. Not to mention a bunch of other stuff. I like the truck overall but the ecoboost does not get the mileage they advertise.

My 2012 has been flew less. 72,000 miles and nothing but routine maintenance other than a $75 heater resistance pack.

Still on the factory brakes and it gets used to,tow 3 days a week or so.

Chris

 

[sd455dan]

Look at his last post on page 22 of that link you listed.

Thanks, I just read the last few pages-hadn't considered the thread might have been updated,
and was in a hurry to get in the garage and finally change my ram 3500's front brake pads, 119000 and these are the first set of replacements... hard to fathom a 1/2 ton eating a set at 50k??

Sorry that the Goose has had so many problems.

 

[TheGoose]

To be fair overall I like the truck. When I bought it one of the main reasons is the size of the backseat in the cab and the ability to keep a 6.5' bed with the crew cab. Most other trucks shrink the bed on a true crew cab. If I had to buy today I would probably give ford another look but now gm is offering the crew with a full size bed. I would probably pass on another ecoboost and go for the 5.0.

My 2012 has been flew less. 72,000 miles and nothing but routine maintenance other than a $75 heater resistance pack.

Still on the factory brakes and it gets used to,tow 3 days a week or so.

Chris

Thanks, I just read the last few pages-hadn't considered the thread might have been updated,
and was in a hurry to get in the garage and finally change my ram 3500's front brake pads, 119000 and these are the first set of replacements... hard to fathom a 1/2 ton eating a set at 50k??

Sorry that the Goose has had so many problems.

 

[Fordman1981]

To be fair overall I like the truck. When I bought it one of the main reasons is the size of the backseat in the cab and the ability to keep a 6.5' bed with the crew cab. Most other trucks shrink the bed on a true crew cab. If I had to buy today I would probably give ford another look but now gm is offering the crew with a full size bed. I would probably pass on another ecoboost and go for the 5.0.

Ram has offered the 6.5 bed with both sizes of their 4 door truck since 2013.

 

[TheGoose]

I confess ram is the truck I know least about. Is the crew cab in the full size bed configuration the same size as the 5.5' bed configuration? I thought the cab was a little smaller when you went with a full size bed as with the toyota access cab?

I really like the bed with built in storage on the ram.