Drove the new Ford F150 2.7 Ecoboost
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jejeosborne
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Sounds like you think the frame is aluminum and it is not. Just the bed, cab and body panels. It and other improvements saves 700 lbs on Supercrew.
Edit: already addressed.
jejeosborne
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Easy solution....secure 1500 lbs of cargo (concrete, steel, fuel tank, etc) in the bed of the truck and shazam....mass restored.
deerefan
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I would be interested, as is done with diesels, to see the egt on these trucks when working hard. Do they come with a factory gauge or setting in the info center to see this? The EB line has sparked my interest, but it seems to me a motor this small will work twice as hard, therefore wear twice as fast, as a motor twice its size. Maybe my thinking is a little old school and the new technology has this covered.
KennyG
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Understandable thought but a little old school. The materials and tolerances are so much better today that they allow much greater service loads. Power is determined by mean effective pressure in the cylinder and RPM. Wear for a given engine is governed by piston/crank speed and a little by lateral loads on the pistons. A turbocharged engine, because it has a lot more power (pressure) without increasing piston speed, won't get a lot more wear (as long as the pistons are strong enough to take the pressure.) All this is possible by the much harder cylinder and piston surfaces we have today, of course.
TomSeller
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Much less STOP a heavy load. The half tons are getting lighter which will mean less towing (stopping) ability
TomSeller
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They rate them based on empty
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Just an idle thought and I am sure that Ford has addressed it, but what about galvanic or electrolytic corrosion ? Aluminium is readily prone to corrosion when it is mixed with other metals. In fact, aluminium anodes are often used to protect steel material components.
I am not fully convinced that all is as well as we are led to believe. I am sure Ford has addressed this, but how well? More sales equals more money where repairs are concerned. Will we be able to get after market aluminum body parts ? You can't just mix steel and aluminium.
Enough of my rambling thoughts - anyone else have some insight ?
Thanks
I am not fully convinced that all is as well as we are led to believe. I am sure Ford has addressed this, but how well? More sales equals more money where repairs are concerned. Will we be able to get after market aluminum body parts ? You can't just mix steel and aluminium.
Enough of my rambling thoughts - anyone else have some insight ?
Thanks
handirifle
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I see something like the 2.7 as a real good alternative to folks that occasionally use it as a truck, but mostly a daily driver. High MPG, low fuel cost (gas vs diesel) and possibly lower maint cost. I'm sure about the only difference in maint cost will be slightly less oil in the crankcase. High performance engines always require a little more tending to.
Not being any kind of expert, but seeing how Dodge (and I own a GMC and love it) is the ONLY one to have ALL their tow ratings SAE certified, the other tow rating numbers are fluff IMHO. As the SAE tests point out there is SOOOO much more to towing (I'm sure many of you guys are WAY more aware of this than me) than pulling and stopping that have to be factored in to make it a safe tow, so until all are rated the same there can be no false rating claims.
As for the Titan, personally never liked sitting in the truck so I never even took it on the road for a test drive, but like someone pointed out, the 1/2 tons have not been 1/2 tons for a long time.
Nissan could call it whatever they want, it might be a scheme to under rate it for insurance reasons, but who knows? Certainly the 5.0 Cummins will be capable, but it is not marketed to the same folks as the little 2.7 will be. I see either a suburbanite that has to move some furniture on occasion, or an old fogey like me, but one that DOESN'T tow and RV around, driving those trucks.
It would be a good one for my daughter even, that like to take her dog around but not in the car, and wants a truck, but good mileage too. Heaviest load she'd ever move might be a new couch.
Hey, I have to give Ford credit where credit is due. They are being innovative, and bold, taking huge steps that other companies are just "waiting to see". I hope Ford wins with these little engines. I don't want one, but I'm sure many folks will.
As for the Dodge and no mid RPM grunt, that is tuning. Aftermarket tuners will solve that issue as soon as they get their little hands on them.
Factories tune them to match EPA's demands and aftermarket tuners have more usable power and mileage as their main concerns.
The difference in power curve with my Duramax from pre to post tuning is night and day. I'm talking a daily driving, fuel economy tune, not some 150hp tune either. Truck feels more like a high performance big block gas engine in smoothness, and continuous power, not like the high power, high torque till 1800, then drop off the face of the planet, factory tune.
Not being any kind of expert, but seeing how Dodge (and I own a GMC and love it) is the ONLY one to have ALL their tow ratings SAE certified, the other tow rating numbers are fluff IMHO. As the SAE tests point out there is SOOOO much more to towing (I'm sure many of you guys are WAY more aware of this than me) than pulling and stopping that have to be factored in to make it a safe tow, so until all are rated the same there can be no false rating claims.
As for the Titan, personally never liked sitting in the truck so I never even took it on the road for a test drive, but like someone pointed out, the 1/2 tons have not been 1/2 tons for a long time.
Nissan could call it whatever they want, it might be a scheme to under rate it for insurance reasons, but who knows? Certainly the 5.0 Cummins will be capable, but it is not marketed to the same folks as the little 2.7 will be. I see either a suburbanite that has to move some furniture on occasion, or an old fogey like me, but one that DOESN'T tow and RV around, driving those trucks.
It would be a good one for my daughter even, that like to take her dog around but not in the car, and wants a truck, but good mileage too. Heaviest load she'd ever move might be a new couch.
Hey, I have to give Ford credit where credit is due. They are being innovative, and bold, taking huge steps that other companies are just "waiting to see". I hope Ford wins with these little engines. I don't want one, but I'm sure many folks will.
As for the Dodge and no mid RPM grunt, that is tuning. Aftermarket tuners will solve that issue as soon as they get their little hands on them.
Factories tune them to match EPA's demands and aftermarket tuners have more usable power and mileage as their main concerns.
The difference in power curve with my Duramax from pre to post tuning is night and day. I'm talking a daily driving, fuel economy tune, not some 150hp tune either. Truck feels more like a high performance big block gas engine in smoothness, and continuous power, not like the high power, high torque till 1800, then drop off the face of the planet, factory tune.
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Have you seen the brakes on the F150? They are huge. My 2012 has no issues stopping a heavy load. The only issue I have had is traction on wet surfaces from a dead stop. With 10,500# on the hook and 500# in the bed it's still easy to break the rear end loose.
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