Dug well Caisson

[aczlan]

Eldorado .... I too have thought about using black plastic culvert pipe. I thought that I would drill holes in the bottom part of the culvert pipe to let water seep in and filling up the outside of the pipe with gravel partway up. I am glad to hear someone did it now I know that my idea wasn't nutty after all and that it would work. I wonder about the galvanized culvert over the black plastic though. When we were kids we all drank out of a zinc water bucket and a dipper, I wonder if that zinc water bucket was actually a galvanized bucket, might have been.

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PS why did this quote not come through as a highlighted quote?

You didnt end with a [/QUOTE] (as I did above), thus it didnt see it as a complete quote.

Aaron Z

 

[dcyrilc]

handirifle ,, Your right about the type of plastic.. Drinking water bottles are a much finer plastic than a plastic oil can...I'm sure that well casing plastic and culvert plastic are very different..

Tfhe other option would be to use the white PVC? pipe used for water mains. 13 foot sticks. Limited to about 24" diameter though.

 

[hr3]

toy.. I am going to put sand and fabric around the sides,, Not sure what kind yet.. some sands pack too tight but others will lock together and allow more water through.. I think???

 

[20 20]

toy.. I am going to put sand and fabric around the sides,, Not sure what kind yet.. some sands pack too tight but others will lock together and allow more water through.. I think???

Around my well I used, what they call up here, wash rock about 4-8 inches in diameter. Then I also added a #2 round rock to that. My well is 10-+' deep it is used for our 3 bathroom house.

 

[toy]

handirifle ,, Your right about the type of plastic.. Drinking water bottles are a much finer plastic than a plastic oil can...I'm sure that well casing plastic and culvert plastic are very different..

I heard them say on the news that plastic water bottles had something in them that wasn't safe, I don't know but I never did like drinking out of plastic I want my water in a glass and my soda in a can but this new warning scare that they have come out with didn't have anything to do with it.

 

[toy]

Aczlan in your post 21 I never hit the quote, I used the reply and just typed in Eldorados name, I never intended to have a quote. Is that not an acceptable way to do it? I am not very proficient in computers.

 

[dcyrilc]

Aczlan in your post 21 I never hit the quote, I used the reply and just typed in Eldorados name, I never intended to have a quote. Is that not an acceptable way to do it? I am not very proficient in computers.

It's acceptable, but once several begin responding, it becomes easier to follow the conversations/responses when the quote or multi-quote are used to reference what you are responding to.:thumbsup:

Sometimes people will then edit the quote so only a portion will be quoted to make things even clearer.
IE:

Aczlan in your post 21 I never hit the quote, I used the reply and just typed in Eldorados name, I never intended to have a quote.

 

[aczlan]

Aczlan in your post 21 I never hit the quote, I used the reply and just typed in Eldorados name, I never intended to have a quote. Is that not an acceptable way to do it? I am not very proficient in computers.

It is preferable to quote the person you are responding to so that others can follow the thread of teh conversation better.
If you want to quote someone's message, you can click on the "Quote" button in the lower RH corner of a message, then it will come up with a reply box that has the quoted text pre-entered and ready to go.


Aaron Z

 

[John47]

What about a culvert on end? I did that for a well at our camp and it works fine. The retailer would not sell me a plastic one once he found out that we were going to be consuming the water, I had to buy a galvanized metal one (go figure- galvanized safer than plastic???).

I placed about 15 inches of crushed stone on the bottom, installed the culvert, and place around 1 foot of stone around the culvert (4 foot). I then attached a pitless adapter to the culvert and around 6 feet of copper going down into the well. The pump and pressure tank are in a small pumphouse and I have a wooden cover on top of the culvert and keep the pumphouse locked to keep out the kids.

This works fine. There is usually around 5-6 feet of water in the culvert x 4 feet in diameter is a lot of water. Oh yeh, I dug down until I hit ledge which was around 9 feet. The culvert was 10 feet long - the pregnant wife and I muscled it from the horizontal plane to the vertical plane.

Good Luck!

Lead is used to stabilize PVC pipes used outdoors, that includes your water hoses!!!! Lead leaches out of the plastic into standing water, worse in the heat of the sun, so plastic used for drinking water does not contain lead stabilizer..

I know this first hand, we lived in a travel trailer for a few years, and I hooked up the trailer to the well pressure tank using garden hoses. Yep, went down with lead poisoning!!!

 

[hr3]

Lead is used to stabilize PVC pipes used outdoors, that includes your water hoses!!!! Lead leaches out of the plastic into standing water, worse in the heat of the sun, so plastic used for drinking water does not contain lead stabilizer..

I know this first hand, we lived in a travel trailer for a few years, and I hooked up the trailer to the well pressure tank using garden hoses. Yep, went down with lead poisoning!!!

Not sure it inserted the quote right toy,, But John,, Wow,, never heard of that,,glad your ok..?? I'm still looking at the pressure treated method,, but i'm not going to use it for drinking,, just for keeping the pond full.. Hope the ducks don't mind,,

 

[Redneck in training]

Not sure it inserted the quote right toy,, But John,, Wow,, never heard of that,,glad your ok..?? I'm still looking at the pressure treated method,, but i'm not going to use it for drinking,, just for keeping the pond full.. Hope the ducks don't mind,,

Before you go to the expense and the effort calculate how much water you need to keep the pond full. You might be surprised about the volume. My leaky pond is about 0.65 ac and drops between 1 to 2"/day depending on water level. To keep it full I would need constant inflow about 24 gal/min.

Water drop/day 2in
Area 0.65 ac
Area 27878.4 sqft
Area 4014459 sqin
Volume 8028918 cuin
Volume 34757.22 gal
Required flow rate 24.14 gal/min

Link to handy unit converter:
http://joshmadison.com/software/convert-for-windows/

 

[John47]

Not sure it inserted the quote right toy,, But John,, Wow,, never heard of that,,glad your ok..?? I'm still looking at the pressure treated method,, but i'm not going to use it for drinking,, just for keeping the pond full.. Hope the ducks don't mind,,

Maybe not, but the supplier when he heard well would think major lawsuit should you or your family go down with lead poisoning, so they advised galvanized steel.

Yep OK now, but the lead wasn't a major problem, it lowered my immune system to where I had little resistance to other problems..
If you check garden hoses at your garden center, they carry a warning, "NOT FOR DRINKING Water" I often wondered why, the warning never say's why!! I presumed for hygiene reasons!!
After a little research I was shocked!! A water hose full of water in the sun for a few hours has a lead content of almost as high as water through lead pipes!! The more acidic the water the higher the leach level.
All PVC used for outdoor purposes uses lead to stabilize it, potable water hoses don't use any stabilizers and go all black and yukky in the sun.

 

[dieselscout80]

I don't know if these pics and article will help you or not.

 

[hr3]

Re: Dug well Caisson
I don't know if these pics and article will help you or not

Thanks.. nice idea and i might look at the high side of my property for and springs... I already do something like that but it's only surface water I'm collecting,,

Keep the ideas coming,, :thumbsup:

 

[hr3]

Well after digging and filling in several test holes I'v settled on the one 30' from the pond.. It's a bit up hill and the ground is all gray clay so I don't think I'll be taking water from the pond.. The test hole at 5' had 1 foot of water.. I took a lazer and checked the level with the pond,, It was the same,, I'm thinking that both the pond and hole water levels are the normal levels of water in the ground.. Not a spring ..

I want to dig down 10' and pump it down to see the flow rate. My BH is only a 7' sooooo I'm digging a hole for the tractor too.. I hope the put the tractor into a 3' deep hole to get the extra depth I need,,,I'll get some pic's this weekend..

 

[ElDorado]

I want to dig down 10' and pump it down to see the flow rate. My BH is only a 7' sooooo I'm digging a hole for the tractor too.. I hope the put the tractor into a 3' deep hole to get the extra depth I need,,,I'll get some pic's this weekend..

Ah, that's the easy way. When I did mine I had a machine dig around 6 feet and then used a hickory backhoe for the rest (to 10ish feet). I would bale out the hole as best I could, climb in the hole, bale some more and have wife pull up bucket while I lifted. When I had it as dry as I could get it I would fire up the hickory backhoe and have at it. The cycle kept repeating until I hit ledge. Oh what fun......

 

[hr3]

ElDorado,, "hickory backhoe" ?? Do you mean a Wooden bucket ??? I googled it and couldn't find anything.. If soooo WOW !!! you were determined,, :thumbsup:

 

[aczlan]

ElDorado,, "hickory backhoe" ?? Do you mean a Wooden bucket ??? I googled it and couldn't find anything.. If soooo WOW !!! you were determined,, :thumbsup:

I suspect that he means something like unto this (but with a hickory handle).

Aaron Z

 

[bindian]

Pick ax and/or shovel or post hole digger. Hickory dump truck is a wheel barrel.
hugs, Brandi

 

[Redneck in training]

That is exactly how I remember wells were dug when I was a kid. First they dug a hole about 5 feet deep and egg shape. The "fat" side had about 4 to 5 feet in radius. At that point they put in several concrete pipes stacked on each other. The pipes were made of reinforced concrete, about 20" tall, 3" wall and 4 to 5' in diameter. One man was inside digging and one on the top operating manual winch pulling a bucket with material out of the well. As more material was removed and the pipes were sinking in additional were added on the top.

I remember when our neighbor was digging well. One morning they came to the well and the ladder was gone. The bottom of the well fell in abandoned silver mine. He was lucky that it happened when nobody was digging.