Educate me on having cattle

   / Educate me on having cattle #12  
Beef market is high right now, local sales very strong. You could cash out readily... sell the $3500 bull as breeding bull if you have the pedigree papers, might get that much back, and sell the rest either as stock/slaughter cows or feeders You'd gross around $15k USD, so 18.5K not doing a thing other than loading on a truck.

I have beef and I'd be tempted to cash out right now....

Cost out what your hay cost will be...if they will eat 3 bales a week 52 weeks a year, or just when grass doesn't grow. I can get about 3-4 months of grass then I am feeding.

I sell at local sale barn, here you just have to have your name & address for them to send the cheque to. I am in Canada so cattle must have RFID tags in ears to sell and they scan them when you unload. Vet records not needed, but you can get a premium price if you have vaccination records.

If you have your heart set on cattle I would sell the 3 intact and steer ASAP and use the money to get place set up and buy some hay. I'd just sell the bulls as is, I rubber band them at 1-2 weeks old, no way do I want to mess with them when older and bigger. I've pinched cords on older stock and it's not for me.

Keep the Angus Bull and 11 females. Assume the bull bred the cows/heifers and wait for calves. If you leave the bull with the herd you can see if any go into heat and then you'll know. You can have vet preg check, but you need a headgate/chute for that. Will give you an idea when calves might come.

Your first crop of 11 calves when sold should give you an idea of what to expect income wise. You can keep heifers, but ultimately you would need a different bull quite often.
 
   / Educate me on having cattle #13  
If you breed at 16 months old to have them calving at 2 years old you will need a different bull every year and ahalf to prevent inbreeding, or you are going to need bull prove fencing to keep a couple of herds separated with different bulls for each.
 
   / Educate me on having cattle #14  
Be prepared for a ball and chain around your ankle. No vacations, no long weekends. Gotta babysit and feed/water the cattle. And oh yeah, clean up all the poop.
 
   / Educate me on having cattle #15  
@EddieWalker
I retired last year at the age of 77. I was brought up from a baby on my father’s horticultural/agricultural holding. I farmed on my own account for 61 years in 4 countries in both hemispheres. I have kept farm animals of most descriptions – pigs, sheep, goats, cattle, horses, and a few more exotic species; most kinds of poultry, fish and crustaceans. I have grown an extremely wide range of crops, trees, vegetables and fruit and can show every letter of the alphabet with their beginning letter (allowing for the Latin with Q, X and Z). The only thing I was never satisfied with the quality was cattle!!

Cattle are the hardest to learn about if you have not grown up with cattle. The timespan is the biggest problem. From a cow being bred to the time of her offspring producing a sellable calf is, give or take, 4 years. Maybe a bit under, maybe 5 years, and even longer if you fatten it. You do not have the time left in life to make a mark with unknown quality of stock that you will have to cull/keep according to your requirements. One failure in a small herd is a big percentage of your life lost for 5 years. You have to guess too far in advance whether a young female will produce what you want in terms of quality.

I am not trying to put you off cattle, just be realistic about what you can achieve with the starting stock available to you. When my wife and I moved to Portugal from Scotland in January 2003 there were people who told us we were too old to start a new life. I suggest you ignore such people, but still be aware of how long it takes to make any improvement in a cattle herd.

From the photographs, I like the look of the cows. Mainly polled, but a couple horned, and does the cow in the front of pic 2 have a turned in horn about to stick in her head? I had Herefords in Australia. I do not like the bull. If he is pure AA (and I doubt it, unless you have AA in USA with “nae arse” as we would say) then he is not a good example of the breed. I would sell him asap.

We have to go back to your other thread about your brother’s death. Who legally owns the cows now he is dead?

Ear tagging rules in most of the world are very strict. Make sure you check out with the correct state department whether anything has to be done before stock can be sold. No doubt there are ways around any problems on the basis of your brother being in such dire straits that he is now dead. Talk to the people at the livestock exchange once you know what can be done about sales.

You cannot operate two properties 60 miles apart without the welfare of the stock suffering. Over the years of being on TBN I think I know enough about you that you would not want that to happen.

If you want to keep some of the cows (and possibly a pure bred Hereford heifer or two) then go ahead and do so. It will be expensive to provide the necessary handling facilities on your own property, but if that is what you (and your wife – most important) want, then go for it. If you do, then I would look towards a small herd of Herefords. Artificial insemination is the easy way to improve pure breds and is very easy. Do not bother to learn how to do it yourself, just pay for the service (literally!).
 
   / Educate me on having cattle #17  
I'm 53 and came into the world with cattle in the pasture. We had a mid 50's Ford 3/4 ton flatbed and a single axle two cow trailer with wood sides. If you're not paying for land and own the equipment you can make money with 1000 head. Other than that, you're investing in a hobby. You'll get a lot of tax deduction out of it. The government don't stop you with cattle. You can continue and it is okay to lose money on cattle every year. IRS has a guide How To Set Up A Farm As A Tax Shelter. Doctors and lawyers have lots of farms.

My daddy told me years ago. You can buy things and have tax deductions, or you can pay someone to sit on the porch all day and wait for your money to hit their mail box.
That's really how it is, basically. You will have to get some pipe and succer rod to build a catch pen, corral, and chute to handle them. Panels don't work. Done tried that. Young bull got his head through the panels and took off with 60 of them. Lunged for about 100' and fell over. Cut panel in two with a battery sawzall to get that wild son of a gun loose. We still use the panels but they have a piece of 4" pipe concreted between each one. They stay in place that way.

Down here a lot of your young cattle are sold to Montana. White underbelly cattle sunburn on the snow. So they want black. We keep an Angus bull and have black calves no matter what the mother is. If you get long horn cows you can have black calves from them too, sell before the horns pop out. With longhorns you have to buy cows that don't have a saddle of color on their backs. They won't have a black calf. You want them colored like a paint horse, splotchy. Lot of people use longhorns because they eat so much junk. Throw a round bale out, they look at it, and keep eating briars.
 
   / Educate me on having cattle #18  
The texas agrilife folks have a short course on beef cows. You should look into that course. One of the things that came out was to plan on 35 pounds of hay per cow per day unless pregnant, then it is more.
 
   / Educate me on having cattle #19  
I will say, you need to do something with the young bulls. More than one bull in the pasture is going to cause issues. Depending on the big bull's attitude, he could kill those smaller ones.

On a second note. You need to try to age those heifers. They don't need to be bred too young, but of course it may be too late.
I bred my heifers at around 18 months .

It is said, you have to keep a good paying job to be able afford your cattle ! LOL

I know when I started, the guys around me asked..
'' you want to know how to make a small fortune in the cattle business'' ?
Of course eager me says yes !
He says, ''start with a large fortune, pretty soon you'll have a small fortune'' :ROFLMAO:
 
   / Educate me on having cattle #20  
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What would you do?

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Assuming I know nothing about raising cattle, so same knowledge as you, I'd pick:

Option 3.5

Sell most of them, make a smaller temporary spot for them at your place so you aren't driving 60 miles each way 3 times a week (360 miles, 6 hours a week + chore time). Use the money you get from selling most of them to make a larger spot at your place and get used to the process of raising cattle. Then think about your idea of haying his place for a source of hay, then pasturing them at his place in the future if you find out that's the way to go.

Man, you got a lot to think about. I'd start with some questions here.


It'll be interesting to see what you find out, and best of luck to you and your wife. (y)
 

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