Electric vehicles during a disaster

[Thall303]

Anyone bought an electric farm tractor lately?

 

[Torvy]

Well, here roads are not straight or flatt, it really takes time to drive.

I would imagine that the majority of drives in Norge are less than 200 miles. It is only 189 or so between Bergen and Oslo. Something on the order of 25% of the population lives in those two metro areas.

I had a girlfriend in HS from Bergen (exchange student). She said that compared to the US, people walk, bicycle, or ski to commute much more in Norge.

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

Are people who evacuate really going that far? What's the typical evacuation? 50 miles maybe? Unlike an ICE, an EV does not use power unless it's moving, so getting stuck in a huge traffic jam is just a delay.

Here on the Texas coast, people sometimes have to evacuate up to 200+ miles, not all because of the storm, but availability of hotel rooms or shelters. It gets gridlocked bad. Cell phone usage is just a trickle of normal. People evacuate with food, water, full gas cans, clothing.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Are people who evacuate really going that far? What's the typical evacuation? 50 miles maybe? Unlike an ICE, an EV does not use power unless it's moving, so getting stuck in a huge traffic jam is just a delay.

So you are now a Myth Buster?

Keep in mind the loss of Reality can leave one in the Land of Mythology.

 

[Eagle1]

Are people who evacuate really going that far? What's the typical evacuation? 50 miles maybe? Unlike an ICE, an EV does not use power unless it's moving, so getting stuck in a huge traffic jam is just a delay.

Well unless you use AC or heat, then you are using power. Also if recharging or powering electric devices

 

[Hay Dude]

Are people who evacuate really going that far? What's the typical evacuation? 50 miles maybe? Unlike an ICE, an EV does not use power unless it's moving, so getting stuck in a huge traffic jam is just a delay.

YOU may live your life responsibly, but the average licker of 2-scoops while staring into a cell phone is what you gotta worry about. Those dummies will hit the road with 10% charge running the AC and end up blocking lanes.

Then what? How you get a tow truck to them? Or dozens of them?
If an ICE runs out of gas, there’s always a way to get a couple gallons in them quick and get moving.

 

[MossRoad]

I encounter a couple of those tater heads on the interstate on my commute to and from work. Average traffic speed is 80mph.

Then you encounter that one idiot in the hammer lane needing to remove their head from their rectum.

Is that what they’re lookin down at? I thought it was their cell phone?

 

[MossRoad]

I too do not know. I did have an old farm truck parked in a bottom field that flooded. Motor locked up and it cost a bundle to get it repaired. I assume an EV under water would also be catastrophic.

Let’s find out!

 

[MossRoad]

 

[Nikkorott]

There was thread recently asking "Are you a prepper?". I'm more of a Just In Caser than a Prepper. Part of that is looking at the EVs. All of the vehicles manufacturers are working towards Bi-directional batteries now. The power company out here (PG&E) is also working on V2G/V2H charging systems. These are vehicle to grid / vehicle to home systems that will allow your grocery getter to be a battery back for your house. This going to happen. I am definitely looking forward to it.

 

[5030]

Just stay in the far right lane and you're fine.

Exactly what I do unless I pass a slower vehicle (rarely), then I'll increases my speed to 75 or so until I get passed, then drop back to 65.

Amazing part is I'm usually motoring along with no one tailgating me unlike those driving hell bent for heaven in the fast lane because there is always someone who wants to go faster so invariably going 80 bumper to bumper which is an bad accident waiting to happen.... and does regularly.

 

[5030]

What an idiot.

 

[Raul-02]

Over half (54%) of all new registered cars in Norway are EV’s,

To be fair Norway is a lot smaller than the USA and the commutes they have there are correspondingly tiny, most people there take public transit or ride bikes. The rest of the culture is quite different from the USA too.
There are in fact so very many substantial distinctions that I am unsure that there is any reasonable comparison.
Norwegians don't encourage their children to stand out the way we do They don't try to stand out as adults the way we do. Our children are visited by the Lord of Christmass himself and they leave cookies for Santa. Their’s leave porridge for the Christmass Elf. They don't get to have the King.

When Norwegians disagree they just imply that maybe you are in error. We ball up their fists and start shouting.

93% of Norwegians are evangelical Lutherans, Which is a wildly powerful homogenizing factor and wildly different than the mish-mash of religious beliefs in the United States.

 

[Citydude]

There was thread recently asking "Are you a prepper?". I'm more of a Just In Caser than a Prepper. Part of that is looking at the EVs. All of the vehicles manufacturers are working towards Bi-directional batteries now. The power company out here (PG&E) is also working on V2G/V2H charging systems. These are vehicle to grid / vehicle to home systems that will allow your grocery getter to be a battery back for your house. This going to happen. I am definitely looking forward to it.

That is a great idea. Id be interested in that as well.

 

[5030]

Just reinforces my comments about road salt and brine infiltrating the electrical connectors on a toaster car with bad consequences. Hard to believe you watch that crap. About 30 seconds was more than enough for me...

 

[Cub 7275]

When in Pennsylvania when some snow was forecasted the store shelves were literally cleaned bare of milk, eggs and bread the day prior to the storm. Assuming a similar mentality in an area forecasted to be hit by a major storm, will the grid handle all the EVs (and every other battery powered device) being topped off at the same time?

Wonder what happens to those lithium battery cars when they get submerged in flood water?

Talking with a Ford engineer he said part of the F150 battery testing was to withstand being under water, like when launching a boat. No idea if other EV batteries will be water proof.

Over half (54%) of all new registered cars in Norway are EV’s,
…so obviously it’s impossible for EV’s to be a viable option in cold weather environments! “ iT cAn’T bE dOnE! “
At least America leads the world in something. Unfortunately it is “It’ll will never work” comments. Meanwhile the world…

The weather is not as cold as you think in Arctic Norway

The weather in Arctic Norway can change rapidly and has seasonal, regional and topographical extremes. Always remember your rain jacket.

nordnorge.com

Lithium Worlds | Electric Car Paradise? Norway's Long Road towards Sustainable Transportation “My Tesla is good, but especially in the harsh winter months or the difficult mountain roads it has its limitations”, I would often hear. “You know, we need both cars”, I was also often told.

As I understand it, the subsidies for EVs did create a lot of new EV sales. However, many people didn't get rid of their old IC cars. The program basically turned one car families into two car families or replaced one of the cars in a two car family. Long term, I see that as the most likely way to get more EVs into the US market.

Norwegian EV policy

elbil.no

Little wonder Norway has so many EVs. "The progressive tax system makes most EV models cheaper to buy compared to a similar petrol model, even if the import price for EVs are much higher. This is the main reason why the Norwegian EV market is so successful compared to any other country."

From the same website:

The Norwegian EV incentives:​

• No purchase/import tax on EVs (1990- )
• Exemption from 25% VAT on purchase (2001- )
• No annual road tax (1996-2021). Reduced tax from 2021. Full tax from 2022.
• No charges on toll roads (1997- 2017).
• No charges on ferries (2009- 2017).
• Maximum 50% of the total amount on ferry fares for electric vehicles (2018- )
• Maximum 50% of the total amount on toll roads (2018- )
• Free municipal parking (1999- 2017)
• Access to bus lanes (2005- ). New rules allow local authorities to limit the access to only include EVs that carry one or more passengers (2016- )
• 50 % reduced company car tax (2000-2018). Company car tax reduction reduced to 40% (2018- ) and 20 percent from 2022.
• Exemption from 25% VAT on leasing (2015- )
• The Norwegian Parliament decided on a national goal that all new cars sold by 2025 should be zero-emission (electric or hydrogen) (2017).
• «Charging right» for people living in apartment buildings was established (2017- )
• Public procurement: From 2022 cars needs to be ZEV. From 2025 the same applies to city buses

And the way fuels are taxed in Norway also plays a roll making EV ownership more attractive: Norway an EV role model? Their pathway is expensive and paid for with oil & gas exports - Energy Post


California is way different than Michigan, both of which are way different than Norway. What works in one place may be a complete failure somewhere else. In the US (I believe the data is from 2019) we averaged 14,000 km distance traveled in vehicles per capita per year while Norway averaged just 6,500 km. In the US there are 8.7 vehicles for every 10 people, Norway 6.4.

Fewer vehicles and less distance traveled per capita means fewer charging stations and less electrical infrastructure are needed to support EVs. Apples to oranges.

 

[Hay Dude]

WOW thats a LOT of incentives!

 

[MossRoad]

Just reinforces my comments about road salt and brine infiltrating the electrical connectors on a toaster car with bad consequences. Hard to believe you watch that crap. About 30 seconds was more than enough for me...

The point is, someone asked what would happen if a Tesla got submerged. A quick search showed someone else wondered the same thing. The point of the videos was to submerge it, then tear it apart to see where water infiltrated and what damage it would cause.

Had you watched more than 30 seconds of it, you would have seen it.

 

[MossRoad]

I guess we should ask someone from Norway how they like things there. Oh wait. We did. And he likes it.

Now we should tell him he’s a fool for liking it, because Norway is nothing like the American West.

 

[Cub 7275]

Just reinforces my comments about road salt and brine infiltrating the electrical connectors on a toaster car with bad consequences. Hard to believe you watch that crap. About 30 seconds was more than enough for me...

Yep. Someone said to expect EVs to handle corrosion no differently than ICE cars. That is very concerning considering the oil pans, structural members, corroded circuit boards and wiring, metal lines (gas, brake, coolant, trans oil) etc. that have all needed to be repaired or replaced due to corrosion on our vehicles here in SE Michigan......