Iowachild said:Actually the code specifies how many bends can be between pull boxes. Up to 360 degrees, four 90's or equivalent.
Now thats alot better! BTW it needs to be a THHN type wire and not direct bury.
Electrical PVC verse Regular PVC
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Now thats alot better! BTW it needs to be a THHN type wire and not direct bury.
EddieWalker
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dirtworksequip said:
Dirtworksequip,
I don't agree with you or the others that I'm not doing it right, or that there is anything wrong with how I'm doing it. I have a need and I've found a way that I can make my money go further. If I wanted to do it the most expensive way possible, than I'd do it just like Sparkkky said. His method will do the job and I'm all for that. If you want to put a light in your yard, than spend two the three times as much money as I will, go for it.
The light will still light doing it my way, but I'll have done it cheaper.
As for your example of digging up pipes and electricuting yourself, it's just not something I worry about. I've dug up plenty of electrical lines that were hot when I cut them, and I'm sure I'll dig up some more. They don't remain hot when you cut them in half with a backhoe, dozer blade or a shovel. I've never even seen sparks, just a very sad expression on the owners face who didn't know the wires were there.
I'd take a guess that more people are electricuted in homes than in trenches.
I'd also be willing to guess that there are wires running through the ground in an allot of rural farms all over the country without the owners of those farms having any idea where they are. Probably quite a few on this website.
It's not wrong to do something that everyone disagrees with if it's safe and works. So far nobody has been able point out a single thing wrong with my method other than it's the wrong color pipe. Hmmm
If you think this is bad, I got a few things that I'm gonna do in the future that will really shock some people. hahahahaha
Eddie
I think the electrical PVC might also have some difference in flamability rating as well. Probably doesn't matter for buried applications.
As far as identification goes - just toss some "Caution" tape into the trench over the pipe.
Question: if you are putting the wire in a conduit, why spend the extra $ on direct-bury rated cable? Wouldn't the cheapest solution be to just put regular THHN wire in that conduit?
- Rick
As far as identification goes - just toss some "Caution" tape into the trench over the pipe.
Question: if you are putting the wire in a conduit, why spend the extra $ on direct-bury rated cable? Wouldn't the cheapest solution be to just put regular THHN wire in that conduit?
- Rick
EddieWalker said:
Like keeney posted you threw away good money on direct bury wire and foam, the correct materials would not have cost anymore.
Quote,
It's not wrong to do something that everyone disagrees with if it's safe and works. So far nobody has been able point out a single thing wrong with my method other than it's the wrong color pipe. Hmmm
Already posted that if you used enough foam you might cause a heat build up and cause the wire to burn and you can't just replace the wire or add to it in the future.
Eddie, all the rationalizing in the world is not worth the risk, there are laws for wiring and if you burn down someone's house or kill someone contracting for money you will pay and pay!
You have proven you don't know and don't care about the legal methods of wiring, its all right to rig your stuff but you better not do it for money or you may find out there are laws for wiring the hard way.
EddieWalker
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I found the direct burial from Lowes cheaper than the regular stuff. It's very rare that anybody is gonna build something any cheaper than I do. I'm always looking for deals and I get lucky enough to make it worthwhile.
You go ahead and do it anyway you want. Code is only as good as your standard. Your residential code isn't considered good enough for hospitals and if you did the same thing there, you'd go to jail. Why? What's the differnece? Hospital outlets are $20 each.
We both know that 20 amps in the ground with 12/2 is never gonna be a heat issue. If you have a point, make it, but exagerating it to try and convince me of something we both know isn't true really doesn't do anything for your credibility.
You wanna put grey conduit underground, thats fine. You wanna run pipe that's two or three times bigger than you need just in case you need to add something in the future, fine. Not me. I'm gonna get it done and move on to other things.
Thanks for a fun thread,
Eddie
You go ahead and do it anyway you want. Code is only as good as your standard. Your residential code isn't considered good enough for hospitals and if you did the same thing there, you'd go to jail. Why? What's the differnece? Hospital outlets are $20 each.
We both know that 20 amps in the ground with 12/2 is never gonna be a heat issue. If you have a point, make it, but exagerating it to try and convince me of something we both know isn't true really doesn't do anything for your credibility.
You wanna put grey conduit underground, thats fine. You wanna run pipe that's two or three times bigger than you need just in case you need to add something in the future, fine. Not me. I'm gonna get it done and move on to other things.
Thanks for a fun thread,
Eddie
gemini5362
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dirtworksequip said:
Ok let me give you another scenario You are digging a water line and the next thing you know there is arcing and sparking everywhere because underneath the ground where you are digging is the main electrical line from the pole and even though it is in GREY conduit you did not realize you were that close to it and you could not see the conduit that is a very real scenario because that is what a guy did at my house one time when he was digging a new water line for me.
Let me see now what would it take for you to get electrocuted if you dug up a line. One of the hot conductors would have to touch part of the backhoe that was electrically insulated from everything else. The rest of the backhoe would have to touch electrical ground. The operator would have to have one part of his body touching the part of the backhoe that was eletctrically insulated from everything else and touching the hot wire. The other part of his body would have to be touching the part of the backhoe that was touching electrical ground. Now since very few people die if they have an electrical shock where the current only goes through say a leg or an arm we probably need to add more to the scenario to make sure it happens.
The part of the body that is touching the electrically insulated section of the backhoe that is touching the hot wire needs to be either the left or right side of the body. The part of the body that is touching the electrically grounded part of the backhoe needs to be the opposite side of the part of the body that is touching the electrically insulated section of the backhoe touching the hot wire. If the part of the body touching the electrically insulated part of the backhoe touching the hot wire is the left side of the body then the part of the body that is touching the electrically grounded part of the backhoe needs to be the right side of the body. If the side of the body touching the part of the backhoe that is the electrically insulated part of the backhoe that is touching the hot wire is the right side of the body, Then the part of the body touching the electrically grounded part of the backhoe needs to be the left side.
If you are wondering why the part touching the hot wire has to be electrically insulated the reason is simple if it were not electricaly insulated and the hot wire touched it then you would have a complete path to ground which probably would not be through the operator and all you would get is a nice fireworks show and a blown fuse but probably not a life threatening event for the backhoe operator.
But personally I am more worried about getting stung by a yellow jacket. I know that for me that is life threatening no matter where it stings me.
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from the government pages... Check out page 2 in the grey box http://www.eh.doe.gov/paa/oesummary/oesummary2004/oe2004-16.pdf
from the government pages... Check out page 2 in the grey box http://www.eh.doe.gov/paa/oesummary/oesummary2004/oe2004-16.pdf
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Eddie, Article 352(Rigid Nonmetallic Conduit:Type RNC) of the NEC is the dedicated article for PVC. 352.2 describes the PVC it does not metion color.
352.3 does say that it has to be listed. I'm willing to bet that your purple stuff isn't listed for electrical use. Honestly I could care less. Just thought I would share the part of the code that you are not complying with. I firmly believe that a man should be able to do what he wants on his own land. It is your dime and your land do with it as you will. I think Sparkkky is trying to say that if you are planning on making your property open to the public, it would be is in your best intrest to follow the standards. One accident, electrical or not could turn in to big problems.
352.3 does say that it has to be listed. I'm willing to bet that your purple stuff isn't listed for electrical use. Honestly I could care less. Just thought I would share the part of the code that you are not complying with. I firmly believe that a man should be able to do what he wants on his own land. It is your dime and your land do with it as you will. I think Sparkkky is trying to say that if you are planning on making your property open to the public, it would be is in your best intrest to follow the standards. One accident, electrical or not could turn in to big problems.
EddieWalker
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sparkkky said:
Sparkkky,
Am I sensing hostilty here? I'm sorry you feel so strongly about something that I put very low on my list. Maybe in your world this is a big deal. It's not in mine.
Challenging my integrity is just childish and an indication of your own shortcomings. At no time have I denied or tried to cheat anybody. My honesty in what I do is well documented here. I use my real name and it's real easy to find me. In other words, I'm not hiding my identity or trying to pretend something I'm not.
Who have I cheated?
Sincerely,
Eddie Walker
gemini5362
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sparkkky said:
Sparky why are you against general home inspectors. When someone I sell real estate to wants a home inspector I encourage that. The cost of a home inspector is very minor comparted to the cost of a house. If you know noting about owning a home you get a licensed person to come and inspect it for you. The home inspector generally will look at things you did not think to. Did a home inspector not aprove one of your wireing jobs at some time in the past ?
