Electrical PVC verse Regular PVC

[sparkkky]

I think Sparkkky is trying to say that if you are planning on making your property open to the public, it would be is in your best intrest to follow the standards. One accident, electrical or not could turn in to big problems.

More so I am trying to warn him about doing wiring for money, especially since he is so adamant in regards to the code and the law!

Eddie, you just don't get it code is safety and you are thumbing you nose at safety.

How many here would at least try to follow codes and use proper materials for dependabilty and safety? Eddie you will be in the minority.

What if a city inspector saw this here in your area and inspected you work? Even though you say you are not governed by law are you saying you don't do illegal wiring in any city limits for money?

 

[sparkkky]

Sparky why are you against general home inspectors. When someone I sell real estate to wants a home inspector I encourage that. The cost of a home inspector is very minor comparted to the cost of a house. If you know noting about owning a home you get a licensed person to come and inspect it for you. The home inspector generally will look at things you did not think to. Did a home inspector not aprove one of your wireing jobs at some time in the past ?

In my area Generals are just glorified handy men with no training refer back to the pictures of what they have approved. Sellers want a general as they have no complete training or knowlege in the trades and they don't know what there looking for. Buyers always get cheated sometimes the service is not up to code or done by amatures a big one I see is 1950's houses with 60A meterbases and #6 feeding 200A panels. My best advice is to get tradesmen up on codes if your buying I see about four inspections a day about five to ten of them a year even get anything right, the one I see most is double tap breakers and thats not always a problem, and most don't even know how to wire a GFCI.


And no I do not have to answer to generals, I answer to the citys and state.

Joel Jones
Jones Electric Inc.
Lic. #29888

Edited becaused I missed you are a realtor. Be careful to make your clients chose there own inspectors, you do not want to look like you are in cahoots or steered them towards anyone. Realtors thier companys and general home inspectors all have in the past paid for repairs alot of them service upgrades.

 

[EddieWalker]

Sparkkky,

I think your the one who doesn't get it. I put in a light a hundred feet from my house. I used 12/2 direct burial line and sleeved it in thin wall purpe one inch pvc pipe. I also shot some expanding foam in the ends of the thinwall to trap and isolate water vapor.

I also said I do not do electrical work for a liveing and don't want to.

Where is the danger? What gives you the right to insult me with your wacky accusations?

If I'd just put the wire in the ground and not protected it with anything, than I'd be up to code. I added a sleeve over it to protect it from rodents and you'd think I'd cut the ground wires in somebodies bathroom. Get a grip and realize that it's not a big deal. Nobody is gonna get hurt, there will be no fire and nobody will die from it.

I've never said that I don't follow any code. I do when it's needed. This run was to code until I used purple pipe. Now I'm in violation of code. OK, so what? Really, what's the big deal?

You have crossed the line of silly and gone to the point rediculous.

If somebody else wants to run a line like I did, I highly recomend it. It's better than code and you know it. The color of the pipe is your only basis for making your accusations. Your comments that the wire will get hot in the pipe is silly and you know it.

As for an electrical inspector comeing out here, it will never happen. I live in an area that has no code. No permits, no code and no inspectors.

Eddie

 

[stumpfield]

I came into this thread late.... Here's my 2 cents. I'm an electrical engineer. I do know a little bit about the NEC. Some application I designed doesn't even covered by the NEC. There's nothing wrong or less safe with what Eddie did. He uses direct burial cable. It doesn't matter he buried the cable with dirt or some cheap pipe and foam then dirt over that. If he uses the correct wire size for his application and the correct depth for his area then there's nothing wrong. If he wants to pour concrete around the pipe to further protect the wires, then that's his business. That's with code or no code!
I would not do it the way he did. It's unnecessary and not a typcial installation method. I would use the proper conduit or no conduit at all if using direct burial cable. The jacket on the cable is the proper conduit.

 

[sparkkky]

Eddie I am not harping on what you do at your house the big picture and what you just addressed is I hope you are not wiring for money!

Know you are a handy man, am I wrong?

 

[sparkkky]

I came into this thread late.... Here's my 2 cents. I'm an electrical engineer. I do know a little bit about the NEC. Some application I designed doesn't even covered by the NEC. There's nothing wrong or less safe with what Eddie did. He uses direct burial cable. It doesn't matter he buried the cable with dirt or some cheap pipe and foam then dirt over that. If he uses the correct wire size for his application and the correct depth for his area then there's nothing wrong. If he wants to pour concrete around the pipe to further protect the wires, then that's his business. That's with code or no code!
I would not do it the way he did. It's unnecessary and not a typcial installation method. I would use the proper conduit or no conduit at all if using direct burial cable. The jacket on the cable is the proper conduit.

Then you should have some idea of how to figure condiut fill and how to derate conductors. You should know that packing any electrical pipe full of insulating foam would be a bad idea? Other than that you hit the nail right on the head.

 

[sparkkky]

Done, stick a sharp fork in me.

Merry Christmas!

 

[gemini5362]

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Joel Jones
Jones Electric Inc.
Lic. #29888

Edited becaused I missed you are a realtor. Be careful to make your clients chose there own inspectors, you do not want to look like you are in cahoots or steered them towards anyone. Realtors thier companys and general home inspectors all have in the past paid for repairs alot of them service upgrades.

Thank you for the advice. I do have my real estate license and keep it active I am more of an investor than an agent. When I first got my license I went to work for a friend of mine in a century 21 office. I left there because they were getting too busy to suit my amount of time to spend in that buisness. While I was there we had a typed sheet with a list of all the licensed inspectors in the area, If someone came in that was not on the list and asked us to we included them even though some of them were from towns an hour away. When anyone said they wanted a home inspection done we handed them the list and said pick whoever you want to make your deal with them concerning priceing and have them call us to make an apointment for access to the house. The only service I provide in that arangement is to open the house. I dont make recomendations

 

[gemini5362]

Sparky are you in the Oklahoma City area. I am going to be in Norman the last two weeks of January going to a class.

 

[sparkkky]

Yukon, whats the class? My wife has her realty Lic. but she wire's with me most days.