EPA issue ban on wood stoves

[rekees4300]

no one listened

In post #27 I have a link for those who still wish to comment to the EPA.

 

[dave1949]

I made a post regarding this when people COULD send letters and emails to the EPA and tell them to stop. no one listened and post was full of green people saying how GOOD it would be and that no one would be effected. see here
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/friendly-politics/300792-rural-friends-epa-going-after.html
so I warned people no one listened and no one participated I included links to the info and links to contact them to stop it or at least tell them to stop.

Mark

Green people?

Analyze who is affected by the EPA proposal, not to be confused with local/state regulations in areas that feel they have serious air quality problems to address.

Will you be affected by the EPA proposal if:
1) You currently own a wood stove of any emission quality, good or bad? No.
2) You purchase a stove in the next five years that has already been certified at the 4.5 grams/hour for catalytic, or 7.5 grams per hour for non-catalytic rating? No.
3) You purchase a stove (of most types) that is newly certified to the 4.5 grams per hour rating after the proposal takes effect ? No.
4) If you purchase a stove five years from now when Phase 2 begins, it has to meet the Phase 2 rating of 1.5 grams per hour? Yes.

That is what is being proposed to the best of my understanding. The great majority of currently manufactured new stoves are already in category (2) above. The Phase 2 1.5 grams per hour may not survive the rule making process, or it may be delayed to eight years from the time the rule is enacted, or it may be amended sometime down the road.

Serenity Now.

 

[DarkBlack]

Most people probably aren't familiar with the background of the eight New England states suing the EPA to force them to enforce clean air standards in a way that matters to New England. .

Last time I checked there were only 6 New England states.

 

[DarkBlack]

I keep saying what starts in California eventually goes nationwide...

Also, friends that sold their place in Oregon had to remove "Non Compliant" stove.

DEQ Air Quality Division Home



Not only did they have to remove it... they are forbiden under penalty of law to sell it!

My city prohibits the install of any wood stove or wood fireplace the last time I checked and pays a bounty for removing existing ones.

Anyone that burns wood around here is branded a sinner... enough said.

That is so wrong so sad on so many different levels. Glad I don't live there.:thumbdown:

 

[DarkBlack]

A few days ago I tossed some wood into the wood stove and went outside....

What the heck, there was smoke all over the place. :confused3: At first I thought it was from our stove but the smoke was all around the house which did not make sense. We are on the top of a hill and we seldom have smoke from anyone else but this was too much smoke to be from our stove. I even walked 1/4 mile to our gate and there was smoke everywhere. No way was this from our stove...

That night I checked the website that covers goings on in our county and people were complaining about the smoke. Turns out the state was doing a controlled burn of 4-500 acres about 10 miles away and the smoke was from that fire. I happen to drive buy the burned area and it was a small fire to burn off undergrowth that the state does every few years. That one controlled burn produced more smoke than all of the wood burners in our county will produce in a life time.

Later,
Dan

Reminds me of the california: Always on fire- on the news 30 days a year with helicopters dropping all sorts of things, and they make laws to restrict common folks from burning wood to stay warm.

 

[DarkBlack]

Have to admit I know several scofflaws... these are older retired folks that have lived in their homes for decades... have large stockpiles of seasoned and split hardwood and burn to keep warm and openly defy the ban.

Good for them! At least they have the guts to stand up for the values they grew up with.

I assume on these "No burn days", that you also can't burn diesel, gas, HHO, propane, candles, coal, jet fuel, charcoal. natural gas, etc... Do all the buses, subways, trains, cars, jets stop to help with the air problem day?
I bet you can still burn all the oil you want. How's that work?
Looks like it's an unfair segregated law against those who heat with wood.
Any good lawyer could have a field day with that one.

 

[ultrarunner]

Good for them! At least they have the guts to stand up for the values they grew up with.

I assume on these "No burn days", that you also can't burn diesel, gas, HHO, propane, candles, coal, jet fuel, charcoal. natural gas, etc... Do all the buses, subways, trains, cars, jets stop to help with the air problem day?
I bet you can still burn all the oil you want. How's that work?
Looks like it's an unfair segregated law against those who heat with wood.
Any good lawyer could have a field day with that one.

Actually... the ban is just wood.

They have expanded the definition to now include presto logs and similar because when the firewood ban started... presto logs flew off the store shelves and that had to stop...

The only "Fireplace" allowed in new construction is gas... as in natural gas and propane which doesn't really exist in this market.

 

[coobie]

Just saw on the news this morning that the EPA has issued regulations that will basically shut down the manufacturing of wood burning stoves. This is not only a job-killer but an attack on families that heat their homes with wood.

Charlie

Maybe the EPA would like to pay everyones propane/gas bills next year that have benefited from the use of wood stoves to save some bucks.These actions by our wonderful government is total horsechit.

 

[jinman]

Folks, the EPA is not made up of environmentalists, but instead, a bunch of lawyers. They spend their days writing regulations that will justify their existence and establish areas they can supervise and grow into bigger bureaucracies. As such, you can't win against them with reason. You can only win by threatening their existence. I think the only real way to combat them is to elect officials who see the agency for exactly what it is, and will work to limit their regulations.

 

[ThomasH]

I think you are naive if you don't think this is simply one of several steps to outright ban or regulate out of business any energy source that isn't politically correct, which of course would include wood burning, just as it has been with coal burning, fossil fuels, etc.