Expected Depreciation in Used Tractors?

   / Expected Depreciation in Used Tractors? #51  
Not at all.

You've always lived in the land of delusion so I'm not surprised.
Nothing delusional. Housing market is red hot, retail sales are at near record highs, and the job market is good where I live. Oil revenues are creating $2 billion dollar state budget surpluses. Maybe it’s different in your world?
 
   / Expected Depreciation in Used Tractors? #52  
I agree, and a very interesting thread.

1- "I sold it after 5 years and got what I paid for it!"

2- "Used tractors generally have better price structure"

3- "New tractors have a warranty"

First, at 2%/yr inflation average for the "I got what I paid for it" crew basically says that you would have needed to get 10% more than you paid for it to call it that.
Also, if you look at the last two years in that mix, the numbers would change....

For a 5 year old machine bought new 7 years ago and traded or sold at 5 years, you would have inflation of 3 years at 2% , and then 1 year at 8% and one year at 7%... ( avg inflation/yr for the last 5 years.)

That's 6% + 8% +7% or a total of 21% more than you bought it for 5 years ago to claim you got what you paid for it.

For a $20,000 machine 5 years ago that machine would need to fetch $24,200.

In the case of a machine bought beginning of 2020:

2020 - 3%
2021 - 8%
2022 - 7%

Or a total of 18% more than you paid for it to say you got "what you paid for it".

In this case let's look at an actual purchase of $52,500 paid for a new premium machine with a backhoe bought in beginning of 2020.

One would need to fetch $61,360 this year for that 2020 machine purchased for $52,500 to make that claim.

So to validate these numbers I looked up the exact tractor purchased in 2020 for $52,500. That same machine with the same options today is $59,000 list price.

So in theory, you would need to fetch about $2360 MORE than the cost of buying a brand new machine in order to make the claim that you "got what you paid for it".

Not to mention that you now are comparing a machine that has 3 years on it with 0/4 year warranty, with a NEW machine with 2/7 year warranty. (2 year bumper to bumper + 7 year drivetrain).

Having gone through this calculation one can deduce that "getting what you paid" for something is usually fought with incomplete financial consideration.

Now, looking at a dealer trade.

The dealer would actually need give you 4.0% more ($2360 more) for your tractor or $61,360. That's more than a new tractor of the same flavor ($59,000).

This should seem counter intuitive, and it is.

The dealer would make nothing on the deal, and the next buyer would be paying more than new. Cash or financed $ on the deal. A dealer trade even if you traded it in on the NEW $59,000 machine, the dealer would need to give YOU a $2360 discount on top of that retail price to make your trade-in match the "I got what I paid for it" groups claim.

Now let's look at a private party buyer over a dealer for that same machine.

Given the option of purchasing a 3 year old machine from the "I got what I paid for it" folks, the buyer would need to be paying $61,360 ($2360 more than the $59,000 retail for the same machine, new today) for a 3 year old machine with xxx hours on it, and with a few years left in the drivetrain warranty, and without possible Mfg financing benefits, in order for the seller to claim "I got what I paid for it".

Everything is fungible here. It has to be. There are conditional deductions or additions to value for care of or lack thereof, damage, or anything that could generally move the trade-in or resale value up or down.

But in general, it may be that the realities of inflation on the "I got what I paid for it" scenario is pretty weak in many if not all instances. It may be more of a subjective statement over reality as it relates to the time value or future value of money.
 
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   / Expected Depreciation in Used Tractors? #53  
informative thread. will be selling out in several yrs, will be interesting to see what my '08 M8540 12sp hyd shuttle (open station) brings, purchased for 34k at the time, meticulously maintained. hope those seeking to purchase or sell at this time do well. regards
 
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   / Expected Depreciation in Used Tractors? #54  
”Expected depreciation“ for a tractor is a lot less that autos.

These averaged $12,800 in 2017 and a couple selling prices today.

20,509 miles and 5 years dropped its value by 84.5%

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not counting inflation.

Anyone Know of a brand or model of tractor that goes down in value that much, that quickly?
 
   / Expected Depreciation in Used Tractors? #55  
”Expected depreciation“ for a tractor is a lot less that autos.

These averaged $12,800 in 2017 and a couple selling prices today.

20,509 miles and 5 years dropped its value by 84.5%

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not counting inflation.

Anyone Know of a brand or model of tractor that goes down in value that much, that quickly?
The First Vehicle is $1995 “Down Payment”. The second vehicle is being sold “For Parts”. The third vehicle has over 200K miles on it. But yeah, tractors hold their value a lot more than passenger autos.
 
   / Expected Depreciation in Used Tractors? #56  
I look on CraigsList off-and-on at old tractors and attachments. The ads that make me wonder about the backstory are the ones I see asking way too much for junk, then I take a break and come back six months later to CL and see the very same ad with zero changes. And the guy pays for the ad each month to not sell it.
Do you realize Craigslist ads are free?
 
   / Expected Depreciation in Used Tractors? #57  
”Expected depreciation“ for a tractor is a lot less that autos.

-Showing in message #54 some examples of cars that drop over 50% in value (purchase price) in 5 years-

Anyone Know of a brand or model of tractor that goes down in value that much, that quickly?

I'm not sure what that shows. You've deliberately picked real automotive loosers. Anyone can do a little research and buy a car that doesn't depreciate so much as those do. Some makes and models maintain their value.

I'm sure there are tractors that depreciate a lot as well. Belarus is a recent example. And I used to see Chinese tractors at the junkyard that didn't even have English names.

But in general, tractors are built to last and cars are built to be replaced. That is reflected in how both depreciate.
rScotty
 
   / Expected Depreciation in Used Tractors? #58  
Nothing delusional. Housing market is red hot, retail sales are at near record highs, and the job market is good where I live. Oil revenues are creating $2 billion dollar state budget surpluses. Maybe it’s different in your world?

Same here and in a lot of the inter-mountain western states. The economy is booming; finding people for all the new jobs is the problem. Houses cost too much - but jobs are plentiful and wages are high so the market is strong. Downsides are: A lot of the jobs do require special skills or education - and we don't have the social safety nets older states do.

For other places in the US - like in the South and some Eastern states they might not be having the same economy in their area we have out west. And it's human nature for people everywhere to believe that the values and economy in their part of the world are the same everywhere. Having grown up in the rural South I understand that. Otherwise I surely wouldn't.

rScotty
 
   / Expected Depreciation in Used Tractors? #59  
Nothing delusional. Housing market is red hot, retail sales are at near record highs, and the job market is good where I live. Oil revenues are creating $2 billion dollar state budget surpluses. Maybe it’s different in your world?
Well you're closer to California so I'd say all of them leaving there is the biggest factor. It's still going on here, just not like it was this time last year, it's slowed WAY down. Interest rates are probably a big factor.

And to think, coldwell Banker says Knoxville is recession proof. 🙄
 
   / Expected Depreciation in Used Tractors? #60  
Well you're closer to California so I'd say all of them leaving there is the biggest factor. It's still going on here, just not like it was this time last year, it's slowed WAY down. Interest rates are probably a big factor.

And to think, coldwell Banker says Knoxville is recession proof. 🙄
We don’t have a lot of Californians moving here: they go to Arizona. We do have a fair amount of Texans who move here. Real estate is still selling fast despite interest rates.
 

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