Expected Depreciation in Used Tractors?

   / Expected Depreciation in Used Tractors? #41  
Seeing the post this morning about the decline of the new tractor market made me think.
What is the expected deprecation of used tractors?

How much per year or per hour can you expect your equipment to lose in sale value on the used market?

I'm sure it matters if you are picking up a JD or Kubota vs other brands like Kioti, TYM etc. What difference does that make on a used sale?

Would it be fair to say that you lose 30% the first year just because of the dealer costs?

If you are picking up a used tractor from a dealer vs a private party how much more would you pay?

Did people who bought in late 2020 to mid 2022 potentially lose out if they were expecting to sell now because of the loosening of the market?

Hopefully this makes sense. I appreciate your thoughts!
In 2000 I bought a New Holland tc29d in 2001 I bought a new car both cost about the same. The car lasted until 2011, I still have the tractor and it will be with me for another 20 or more years. If you buy the right tractor for your needs you will not be concerned with deprecation because you will not be selling it.
 
   / Expected Depreciation in Used Tractors? #43  
Why (Unless needed for the tax deduction) would anyone buy anything new? Serious question. I've bought new before but the best buys are always used.

OK. Serious answer: I had always bought used. Not for price so much, but because I like to see and listen to a machine with a few hours on it to access how it is holding up. And because I think I get more value by looking at the condition, options, accessories, and history than for slight differences in price.

But your question was about buying new.... I surprised myself by buying new a few years ago. We had looked through the summer and couldn't find anything on the new or used market that fit our needs - basically to landscape a few acres in the mountains with half a mile of creek & build a house & corrals.

When we found the right machine, it happened to be a new demo on a dealers lot - There was also a low hour used one right next to it for 20% less money. I sat on both & decided that new or used was less important than it having all the right options. So we bought the new one.

It turned out that I did use the warranty - although not until after it had expired...but that's another story.
rScotty
 
   / Expected Depreciation in Used Tractors? #44  
I consider all my old iron to be appreciating.
 
   / Expected Depreciation in Used Tractors? #45  
Because I didn't want to buy something that someone like my former neighbor used to own.

He basically had a battering ram with a seat. He also like to go twenty feet and shut it off piddle for 30 seconds and hop back on and start it again. He'd take his lawn mower in the woods to mow down sapplings and then bring it over asking why when he engaged the blades it stalled. When I'd say your blades are bent and jammed into to deck, he'd say, oh, they must be defective. It's under warranty, I'll have the dealer come and get it.
Agreed! Too many people think if they have a small tractor with a loader on it they have a bulldozer.
 
   / Expected Depreciation in Used Tractors? #46  
What I have found is, it depends on who is doing the buying, or selling. Have you ever tried to buy a demo car, truck or tractor. I have seen 10K miles on cars and trucks, and the dealer discount is peanuts, because it is a demo. I have seen the same with low houred CUTS as well. Now try trading in a like new vehicle with only a 1000 miles on it, and see how far down the vehicle has been discounted. I tend to buy gently used private deals. I can easily save 30 %, or more, by buying from private sellers.
 
   / Expected Depreciation in Used Tractors? #47  
In 2000, I paid $7k CAD for a 15 yr old Kubota B6200 hydro with loader and tiller and belly mower. When a Kubota or similar compact tractor shows up across Kijiji (what Canadians use instead of Craigslist) it is at least $10k, no matter how old it is. I know that $7k 22 yrs later has inflated to alot more than $10k.

All of that doesn't matter. I maintain the Kubota, repair whats broke or worn, and with the 50 hrs / year I put on it, it will last me the rest of my life. It does the yardwork just as well today as it did 22 years ago. No reason to expect it will not continue to do so. After I throw a rod and punch out the side of my engine block, the Kubota will still be running as good as the day I got it.

My next of kin will absorb/not-care about whatever "depreciation" or "inflation" hit. Since they derive their genetics from me, they will likely be feuding over who the hell knows what, and sell the Kubota for $500 and think they did well.

When it comes to equipment of any sort, do not "under-buy", that will cost you. The Kubota B6200 is probably a bit "over kill" for my 1.5 acre postage stamp lot. I could have got by with some sort of Wal-mart brand ride-on tractor mower. Which I would have replaced at least three times in the past 22 years, at a cost of much more than $7k.
 
   / Expected Depreciation in Used Tractors? #48  
I just took a look on tractorhouse.com and searched for my tractor model. There were 5 listed, 4 with price, one as for parts only with call for price. Of the 4 with prices, the average price was $8360, including varying one piece of equipment, but 1 included two pieces. This is for a 22+ year old tractor that had what once was about $10k MSRP for the tractor alone. $10,000 in 1999 is about what $17,000 would buy today. So, something that is 22 years old is worth about 50% of the original purchase price today. I only wish my cars would/could last as long and still be running so dependably and have that kind of resale value! Not that I would even think of selling or trading my tractor right now! Oh! I have to get up early and blow snow. Good night.
 
   / Expected Depreciation in Used Tractors? #49  
This is an interesting thread for me. I may end up selling my (bough new) 2014 LS R3039 in the next 18 months. It has 1400 hours on it and has been serviced on a regular basis. It has a bucket and the back hydraulic hook ups, don't even know the name for them as I have never used them. Outside a small tear in upper right hand of seat I believe it is in very good running shape. What could I expect to get for it if I was to sell it right now?
 
   / Expected Depreciation in Used Tractors? #50  
I don't follow the market, but curious, a 1987 JD 755 with rear blade and front end loader (midmount mower is history), with 1500 hours, good running condition, what would a price range be for that?
MFWD or 2wd? Which loader?

I sold an 855 MFWD with 52 loader in very clean condition for $8500 in 2019. I can't remember the hours on it, but somewhere around 1700 - 1800, I think. It was the older and less-desirable (for anyone who actually knows) 1986 variant, before the redesigned the series in 1987. So, a part replacement would sometimes mean having to upgrade other parts around it to the newer design. If yours is the newer variant (check by s/n), then it should have more value, as maintaining it is easier and cheaper than the version they only made for one model year.
 
   / Expected Depreciation in Used Tractors? #51  
Not at all.

You've always lived in the land of delusion so I'm not surprised.
Nothing delusional. Housing market is red hot, retail sales are at near record highs, and the job market is good where I live. Oil revenues are creating $2 billion dollar state budget surpluses. Maybe it’s different in your world?
 
   / Expected Depreciation in Used Tractors? #52  
I agree, and a very interesting thread.

1- "I sold it after 5 years and got what I paid for it!"

2- "Used tractors generally have better price structure"

3- "New tractors have a warranty"

First, at 2%/yr inflation average for the "I got what I paid for it" crew basically says that you would have needed to get 10% more than you paid for it to call it that.
Also, if you look at the last two years in that mix, the numbers would change....

For a 5 year old machine bought new 7 years ago and traded or sold at 5 years, you would have inflation of 3 years at 2% , and then 1 year at 8% and one year at 7%... ( avg inflation/yr for the last 5 years.)

That's 6% + 8% +7% or a total of 21% more than you bought it for 5 years ago to claim you got what you paid for it.

For a $20,000 machine 5 years ago that machine would need to fetch $24,200.

In the case of a machine bought beginning of 2020:

2020 - 3%
2021 - 8%
2022 - 7%

Or a total of 18% more than you paid for it to say you got "what you paid for it".

In this case let's look at an actual purchase of $52,500 paid for a new premium machine with a backhoe bought in beginning of 2020.

One would need to fetch $61,360 this year for that 2020 machine purchased for $52,500 to make that claim.

So to validate these numbers I looked up the exact tractor purchased in 2020 for $52,500. That same machine with the same options today is $59,000 list price.

So in theory, you would need to fetch about $2360 MORE than the cost of buying a brand new machine in order to make the claim that you "got what you paid for it".

Not to mention that you now are comparing a machine that has 3 years on it with 0/4 year warranty, with a NEW machine with 2/7 year warranty. (2 year bumper to bumper + 7 year drivetrain).

Having gone through this calculation one can deduce that "getting what you paid" for something is usually fought with incomplete financial consideration.

Now, looking at a dealer trade.

The dealer would actually need give you 4.0% more ($2360 more) for your tractor or $61,360. That's more than a new tractor of the same flavor ($59,000).

This should seem counter intuitive, and it is.

The dealer would make nothing on the deal, and the next buyer would be paying more than new. Cash or financed $ on the deal. A dealer trade even if you traded it in on the NEW $59,000 machine, the dealer would need to give YOU a $2360 discount on top of that retail price to make your trade-in match the "I got what I paid for it" groups claim.

Now let's look at a private party buyer over a dealer for that same machine.

Given the option of purchasing a 3 year old machine from the "I got what I paid for it" folks, the buyer would need to be paying $61,360 ($2360 more than the $59,000 retail for the same machine, new today) for a 3 year old machine with xxx hours on it, and with a few years left in the drivetrain warranty, and without possible Mfg financing benefits, in order for the seller to claim "I got what I paid for it".

Everything is fungible here. It has to be. There are conditional deductions or additions to value for care of or lack thereof, damage, or anything that could generally move the trade-in or resale value up or down.

But in general, it may be that the realities of inflation on the "I got what I paid for it" scenario is pretty weak in many if not all instances. It may be more of a subjective statement over reality as it relates to the time value or future value of money.
 
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   / Expected Depreciation in Used Tractors? #53  
informative thread. will be selling out in several yrs, will be interesting to see what my '08 M8540 12sp hyd shuttle (open station) brings, purchased for 34k at the time, meticulously maintained. hope those seeking to purchase or sell at this time do well. regards
 
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   / Expected Depreciation in Used Tractors? #54  
”Expected depreciation“ for a tractor is a lot less that autos.

These averaged $12,800 in 2017 and a couple selling prices today.

20,509 miles and 5 years dropped its value by 84.5%

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not counting inflation.

Anyone Know of a brand or model of tractor that goes down in value that much, that quickly?
 
   / Expected Depreciation in Used Tractors? #55  
”Expected depreciation“ for a tractor is a lot less that autos.

These averaged $12,800 in 2017 and a couple selling prices today.

20,509 miles and 5 years dropped its value by 84.5%

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not counting inflation.

Anyone Know of a brand or model of tractor that goes down in value that much, that quickly?
The First Vehicle is $1995 “Down Payment”. The second vehicle is being sold “For Parts”. The third vehicle has over 200K miles on it. But yeah, tractors hold their value a lot more than passenger autos.
 
   / Expected Depreciation in Used Tractors? #56  
I look on CraigsList off-and-on at old tractors and attachments. The ads that make me wonder about the backstory are the ones I see asking way too much for junk, then I take a break and come back six months later to CL and see the very same ad with zero changes. And the guy pays for the ad each month to not sell it.
Do you realize Craigslist ads are free?
 
   / Expected Depreciation in Used Tractors? #57  
”Expected depreciation“ for a tractor is a lot less that autos.

-Showing in message #54 some examples of cars that drop over 50% in value (purchase price) in 5 years-

Anyone Know of a brand or model of tractor that goes down in value that much, that quickly?

I'm not sure what that shows. You've deliberately picked real automotive loosers. Anyone can do a little research and buy a car that doesn't depreciate so much as those do. Some makes and models maintain their value.

I'm sure there are tractors that depreciate a lot as well. Belarus is a recent example. And I used to see Chinese tractors at the junkyard that didn't even have English names.

But in general, tractors are built to last and cars are built to be replaced. That is reflected in how both depreciate.
rScotty
 
   / Expected Depreciation in Used Tractors? #58  
Nothing delusional. Housing market is red hot, retail sales are at near record highs, and the job market is good where I live. Oil revenues are creating $2 billion dollar state budget surpluses. Maybe it’s different in your world?

Same here and in a lot of the inter-mountain western states. The economy is booming; finding people for all the new jobs is the problem. Houses cost too much - but jobs are plentiful and wages are high so the market is strong. Downsides are: A lot of the jobs do require special skills or education - and we don't have the social safety nets older states do.

For other places in the US - like in the South and some Eastern states they might not be having the same economy in their area we have out west. And it's human nature for people everywhere to believe that the values and economy in their part of the world are the same everywhere. Having grown up in the rural South I understand that. Otherwise I surely wouldn't.

rScotty
 
   / Expected Depreciation in Used Tractors? #59  
Nothing delusional. Housing market is red hot, retail sales are at near record highs, and the job market is good where I live. Oil revenues are creating $2 billion dollar state budget surpluses. Maybe it’s different in your world?
Well you're closer to California so I'd say all of them leaving there is the biggest factor. It's still going on here, just not like it was this time last year, it's slowed WAY down. Interest rates are probably a big factor.

And to think, coldwell Banker says Knoxville is recession proof. 🙄
 
   / Expected Depreciation in Used Tractors? #60  
Well you're closer to California so I'd say all of them leaving there is the biggest factor. It's still going on here, just not like it was this time last year, it's slowed WAY down. Interest rates are probably a big factor.

And to think, coldwell Banker says Knoxville is recession proof. 🙄
We don’t have a lot of Californians moving here: they go to Arizona. We do have a fair amount of Texans who move here. Real estate is still selling fast despite interest rates.
 

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