F250 6.2 V8 vs F150 Ecoboost

[Diamondpilot]

Good spin........... if that makes you feel better. Winston Churchill put it very well when he said “A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.”

No spin needed.

Simple facts and truth which you have a hard time with!

Chris

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Good spin........... if that makes you feel better.

Winston Churchill put it very well when he said 驗* lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on. [?QUOTE]

What spin? Cite a source or sources and prove your case. I bought Ford common with both hands when it bottomed in March of 2009 and sold it all the way up. I assure you I was privy to every public bit of news that came out about the company from 2009 to 2013 when I finally sold the last of it.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

As alluded to in earlier posts, I had been becoming enamored with the F 150/3.5 TT Ecoboost concept, especially with the maximum torque at 2500 RPM and possibility of better unloaded vehicle fuel mileage. However, while reading my April issue of Consumer Reports magazine (2015 Annual Auto Issue), I see the Ecoboosts in various bodies are listed as "Used Models to Avoid", with the 2011 and 2013 F150s as some of those. But also the 2011 V8 4WDs and F250s and F350s. I imagine that as time goes on, other year models will be added as the experience grows. So maybe things are no so rosy in new Ford land. And I know GM and Dodge are also having problems, with Toyota as the only truck OEM with a high rating. But Toyota does not have the towing capacity I require.

So maybe I need to rethink my tow vehicle purchase with possibly purchasing an older 3/4 ton, knowing I will have some repair bills looming. I still have time to decide but, was really wanting the reliability of a new/newused vehicle.

Be aware that issues with the direct injected engines of every stripe is that there is no way to wash carbon build up on the back side of the intake valves brought in by crankcase emissions systems. This leads to the use of top end engine cleaners on non-turbo engines to clean the intake valves. On turbo applications, the intake must be removed and the intake valves manually cleaned with a special sand blaster system that uses cork, rather than sand. In other words, something of a PITA.

Ford's EB also can build up moisture in the intercooler that can lead to misfires that eventually clog up the left cat or, occasionally hydro lock the engine shelling it. The solution is to drill a 1/16" weep hole in the lowest point of the intercooler to allow moisture to blow out rather than allowing it to pool and be drawn in through the intake into the engine. Ford cannot simply drill a hole due to emissions laws, but you can and intercoolers once came from the factory with a weep hole in them for the same reason.

The biggest problem with ecoboost 3.5L engines now is oil dilution from excessive warm-up times (idling while very cold to warm the engine up without using block heaters), and carbon buildup on the intake valves (a common problem to all direct injection engines with crankcase emissions systems dumping into the intake system). I've learned to simply monitor my oil in winter and change it when it gets too much gas in it, and I installed an RX Monster catch can system to capture crankcase emissions so they do not get put into my intake system and eventually carbon up the intake valves.

 

[wawajake]

Be aware that issues with the direct injected engine of every stripe is that there is no way to wash carbon build up on the back side of the intake valves. This leads to the use of top end engine cleaners on non-turbo engines to clean the intake valves. On turbo applications, the intake must be removed and the intake valves manually cleaned with a special sand blaster system that uses cork, rather than sand. In other words, something of a PITA.

Ford's EB also can build up moisture jun the intercooler that can lead to misfires that eventually clog up the left cat or, occasionally hydro lock the engine shelling it. The solution is to drill a 1/16" weep hole in the lowest point of the intercooler to allow moister to blow out because it can pool and be drawn in through the intake into the engine. Ford cannot simply drill a hole due to emissions laws, but you can.

The biggest problem with ecoboost 3.5L engines now is oil dilution from excessive warm-up times (idling while very cold to warm the engine up without using block heaters), and carbon buildup on the intake valves (a common problem to all direct injection engines with crankcase emissions systems dumping into the intake system). I've learned to simply monitor my oil in winter and change it when it gets too much gas in it, and I installed a catch can system to capture crankcase emissions so they do not get put into my intake system and eventually carbon up the intake valves.

Hmmm and your tax dollars were used to design these engines with these problems, ..........oops it wasn't tax dollars.....it was a loan -grant ...... semantics I guess. Ford might not have the best engineers (case in point the ecoboost) but they do have the best accountants and lobby media spinners.

 

[sdef]

Be aware that issues with the direct injected engines of every stripe is that there is no way to wash carbon build up on the back side of the intake valves brought in by crankcase emissions systems. This leads to the use of top end engine cleaners on non-turbo engines to clean the intake valves. On turbo applications, the intake must be removed and the intake valves manually cleaned with a special sand blaster system that uses cork, rather than sand. In other words, something of a PITA.

Ford's EB also can build up moisture in the intercooler that can lead to misfires that eventually clog up the left cat or, occasionally hydro lock the engine shelling it. The solution is to drill a 1/16" weep hole in the lowest point of the intercooler to allow moisture to blow out rather than allowing it to pool and be drawn in through the intake into the engine. Ford cannot simply drill a hole due to emissions laws, but you can and intercoolers once came from the factory with a weep hole in them for the same reason.

The biggest problem with ecoboost 3.5L engines now is oil dilution from excessive warm-up times (idling while very cold to warm the engine up without using block heaters), and carbon buildup on the intake valves (a common problem to all direct injection engines with crankcase emissions systems dumping into the intake system). I've learned to simply monitor my oil in winter and change it when it gets too much gas in it, and I installed an RX Monster catch can system to capture crankcase emissions so they do not get put into my intake system and eventually carbon up the intake valves.

I have read similar throughout the Internet and heard that Ford may have fixed these issues for the 2015 3.5L EB. But I will have to wait and see. I have time. But towing ability and reliability are my main concerns, with cargo capacity third on that list. I steered away from diesels due to their higher maintenance requirements. And time will tell whether I also steer away from the Ford EB configurations.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Hmmm and your tax dollars were used to design these engines with these problems, ..........oops it wasn't tax dollars.....it was a loan -grant ...... semantics I guess. Ford might not have the best engineers (case in point the ecoboost) but they do have the best accountants and lobby media spinners.

Let me get this straight: a Canadian complaining to Americans about subsidizing something.

Huh.

America tends to subsidize stuff all over the world.

Anyway, all the OEMs have problems like Ford. VW has had nothing but issues like the ecoboost which is why they switched over to air to water intercoolers, but everybody required to capture crankcase emissions has the car boning problem. I invite you to explore YouTube on the subject.

 

[tcartwri]

What does being Canadian have to to with anything. We had our own bail outs of the big three in 09. In fact if you look at the scale of our economies, we paid in more than the USA.

So your point is what?

 

[MinnesotaEric]

I have read similar throughout the Internet and heard that Ford may have fixed these issues for the 2015 3.5L EB. But I will have to wait and see. I have time. But towing ability and reliability are my main concerns, with cargo capacity third on that list. I steered away from diesels due to their higher maintenance requirements. And time will tell whether I also steer away from the Ford EB configurations.

I have a 2011 3.5L so I've been following and suggesting what to do since the beginning (I think I'm the original source for drilling a hole in the intercooler on the internet). Anyway, the original 2011s came with plugs gapped at 0.080 which allowed a lot of misfires and clogged up a lot of cats. Ford cut the gap spec on them twice and eventually came out with a better plug in 2013. Current spec is .030-.033. That addressed most of the misfires. Ford messed around with covers on the intercoolers and eventually came out with a smaller intercooler, but the solution was always a 1/16th hole (which Ford cannot do because of emissions laws). VW is now using air to water intercoolers, rather than air to air intercoolers as a way of addressing the moisture-caused misfires. Time will tell if that tech difference nails it or not. 2015. I don't know if Ford used a hole with some type of emissions recovery system on it or not.

The oil in fuel is a cold start warm-up issue (which is only a problem for us in the north) caused Ford to come out with a new hose to the brake booster (that I have no idea what that addresses but it is the TSB fix for diluted oil), and the owner fix is to simply change the oil more frequently and use block heaters.

The intake valve carbon issue to true of all direct injected engines, but engines with a turbo are more bothersome due to the requirement of manual cleaning so as to not shell the turbo seals from running top-end engine cleaner through the engine.

The oil dilution problem first causes timing chains to stretch and break. Started happening on 2011s with 80ish or more thousand miles. Ford was obviously aware of a problem there before the rest of us, because in 2012, the timing chains became much beefier from the factory.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

What does being Canadian have to to with anything. We had our own bail outs of the big three in 09. In fact if you look at the scale of our economies, we paid in more than the USA.

So your point is what?

America's treasury has nothing to do with the Canadian treasury, but you're welcome to pay into our IRS if you want. After all, I just paid my sales and use taxes today and the more the merrier.

 

[tcartwri]

America's treasury has nothing to do with the Canadian treasury, but you're welcome to pay into our IRS if you want. After all, I just paid my sales and use taxes today and the more the merrier.

That was an awesome answer. Well thought out.