False Deere information

[Luke'sScreenName]

Wow, I don't usually promote drug use but, Majorwager, if you can maybe take a vacation to Colorado or Washington....

 

[/pine]

I'll stir the pot a bit...
IMO when a member/contributor tends to shill for any one particular product...it lends to the imagination (where there is smoke there is fire)...that said member/contributor just might have more than a casual satisfied owner/user opinion of said particular product and others...regardless of their claims...

 

[Coyote machine]

I'm not following you. My comment that this was "a tempest in a teapot" was in support of your comment that this was a "complete yawn.":confused3:

And yes, I occasionally go by Steve Steve. I do so to emulate Ray-Ray McCloud, who played at Clemson. Ray-Ray McCloud, Clemson, Wide Receiver.


Steve

Sorry, it was somewhat ambiguous, to me at least, as to whether the tempest thing was directed toward me or the OP's thread. Glad you agree- who can stay awake on this 'topic'; not me...

 

[/pine]

commenting on threads that are of no interest seems inane to me...sort of like hecklers...!

 

[majorwager]

Luke,
Given the seriousness of the opioid crisis, your insensitive and inappropriate attempt at humor failed miserably.

Slash
Don't have a stake in the discussion. Sought substantiation to a claim, finding none, I Own a very small deere, and larger kubota, both operate fine, no issues. Seems like a good time to close this thread, each to their own opinion.

 

[Luke'sScreenName]

Luke,
Given the seriousness of the opioid crisis, your insensitive and inappropriate attempt at humor failed miserably.

Slash
Don't have a stake in the discussion. Sought substantiation to a claim, finding none, I Own a very small deere, and larger kubota, both operate fine, no issues. Seems like a good time to close this thread, each to their own opinion.

Wow. Dude Lighten up. LOL! Also, you are conflating opiates and marijuana.

Cheers and good luck in your quest for "truth." :drink:

 

[/pine]

Luke,
Given the seriousness of the opioid crisis, your insensitive and inappropriate attempt at humor failed miserably.

Slash
Don't have a stake in the discussion. Sought substantiation to a claim, finding none, I Own a very small deere, and larger kubota, both operate fine, no issues. Seems like a good time to close this thread, each to their own opinion.

Just for the record...when I said "shill for another product"...I was basically agreeing with your original premise...FWIW...

 

[Coyote machine]

commenting on threads that are of no interest seems inane to me...sort of like hecklers...!

To each their own; why worry about what someone else does - life is too short.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Don't have a stake in the discussion. Sought substantiation to a claim, .

Maybe ask the person who made the claim, in that thread..

 

[/pine]

To each their own; why worry about what someone else does - life is too short.

I mostly just laugh at hecklers...they certainly don't worry me...it's hypocritical to protest then admonish protests...doh!

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

Messick,
I care about accurate information, Your dealership is not the kubota prototype. Many are small w/ more lawn mowers than tractors. Deere stores are full blown AG dealerships. The referenced article doubted the UCC research accuracy. So if kubota is at 50 percent , simply prove it, and the 80 hp ceiling is a reach. The deere presence in my corner of the planet dwarfs kubota. Even kubota's recent entry in the big boy market M-171, would be under powered pulling a krone HD 1290 big pack baler, which is precisely why you share your lot w/ Fiat.

EDIT
Kubota is making the claim, there is no verifiable statistical evidence. Just a sales gimic for the gullible souls.

Kubota is a humble company (almost to a fault in my opinion). They've rarely used their position in the market as a tool (recent BX ad is the only thing I can think of). They did not say anything... looks like what your referencing is an article from one of the industry papers. UCC data is incomplete, but it is the best publicly available data there is. I would think Kubota is over represented there to be honest, but we know even on the AEM reports they ticked over 50% a few years ago.

No one except the AEM (industry group where sales are reported) knows the position of each manufacturer in the market. Not even the manufacturers. They are told the total market size and their share of it. These discussions are simply fun for keyword cowboys more than anything. We all know numbers can be made to say whatever you want them too.

 

[jeff9366]

5/21/2018 ~~~ Risk of buying a Century tractor

With the acquisition of Branson, TYM should be closer to critical dealer mass in the US, if the Branson acquisition is handled well, so most of the former Branson dealers convert to TYM.

Even if TYM/Branson remains, how long will TYM choose to continue supplying low volume parts with Century part numbers? The test will be the next recession when unemployment is 10% rather than 4% and everyone needs to prune costs.

I find it interesting that the new Rural King (branded) tractors are TYM with YANMAR, not TYM, engines. What message does that send?

Producing private label product for others does little to build a solid brand franchise. Private label is usually sold with minimal profit to the supplier, who may indirectly profit from improved scale in manufacturing.

The last USA tractor market share numbers posted here showed Kubota with 46% market share and Deere with 19% market share. There are a formidable number of players clawing for the remaining 35% market share.


I do not have a 'side' in the thread. Just an experienced marketing guy looking at a situation seen many, many times before with consumer products. I am not buying stock in TYM.


LINK: http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...defunct-tractor-manufacturers.html?highlight=

Jeffy

Can you explain your percentage numbers? What is the source? Overall Deere market share of tractors is much greater than Kubota? As for the engines in TYM, you demonstrate a lack of knowledge in TYM engine history. Many of their tractors contained Perkins engines in years past. Since you are obviously unaware, Yanmar has excelled at Tier 4 engine production using the DPF solution. Deere uses Yanmar engines in many of their products. So is deere about to wither away as well.? Your unfounded, unsupported speculations are damaging to members unfamiliar w/ the facts. You recently stated you are less than 21 years old. Then you stated that you graduated from HS in 1965. Very difficult to take anything you say very seriously!!

And as noted, the quaint Latin phrases are a disconnect w/ this audience. Tractor knowledge, not google produced medieval language lessons is/are the key to TBN thread responses.

Shameless bump.


I live in the South.

Majorwager does get "het up" periodically.

 

[majorwager]

Jeffy,
Appreciate your sincere concern for my well being and in the true sprit of southern traditions, the appropriate response is "Bless your heart", the Latin translation under review. Go rough riders

 

[kcflhrc]

So you mean False Deere information like this that you posted?

"Some of the Deere compact tractors are disappointing and the whole "E" series has some issues"

I have yet to have a single issue with my 3032E in 5 years

Don't believe everything you read