Filter everyother oil change?

Partsman2 · Jun 20, 2005

Kubota is actually more conservative than JD. JD has a 200 hour oil and filter change interval vs. Kubota changing oil only at 100 and oil and filter at 200.

I have both a JD and Kubota. I always change oil and filter before recommended intervals. I usually change in fall and spring regardless of hours, or sooner if I hit the hours first.

I would never change the oil without changing the filter. As someone else mentioned, filters are cheap, engines are expensive. Why risk it? /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

TractorLegend · Jun 20, 2005

Another reason on modern day gas burners to adhere to 3K oil change is in our city everyone falls into the severe use category, short trips, not warming up completely before shut off, grandma miles, etc. Almost every fuel injected engine pulls the nasty pcv vapors in to a vacuum source right behind the throttle blade, coating the entire plenum/ intake with oily sludge causing further problems with idle control systems, throttle position sensor going out of range, further gumming of valves.
God bless every one of them- they pay my mortgage.

Partsman2 · Jun 20, 2005

Dargo,

Our messages posted at the same time.

I couldn't have said it better myself and I'd say you're real close on the EPA thing. It doesn't make sense though that JD doesn't recommend this being as they are a US owned company. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

TractorLegend · Jun 20, 2005

The oil in my diesel truck has right at 7500 on it right now and isn't even dark.

 It ocurrred to me maybe its the power steering dipstick you are looking at /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

gsxr1100 · Jun 21, 2005

If Kubota engineers stated every other drain, then it is fine or 100% correct. I guess I have a different outlook since there is no way Kubota is going to tarnish there name, loyal customer, reputation, quality, reliability etc if the drains were not correct. I guarantee they are conservative here based on my engineering experience.

I tend to go by used oil test not a generic hour reading unless there is some benchmark oil tests done in the past. I send about $30 for one year drains on my Bx22 with oil and filter. Even it is was 3X the funds, it is still cheap. I agree with Dargo on that one.

Someone stated filters are cheap but at the same time I am not going to throw away a filter that does not need to be or use a poor filter and make more waste either.

Dargo · Jun 21, 2005

( The oil in my diesel truck has right at 7500 on it right now and isn't even dark.

 It ocurrred to me maybe its the power steering dipstick you are looking at /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif )

Actually my Cummins was that way before mods. Oil that looks "clean" in a diesel is from that diesel engine being "de-tuned" big time. A diesel just performing just to it's potential, not it's max, will make coal black oil.

Now, the other issue; some coal black oil may be still perfectly good, and some oil that still "looks new" may be totally shot. Going by "looks", is very dangerous.

Finally, it's well known by GSXR that I'm big time conservative with my oil and filters. I use what I believe is the absolute best available, and then only push it to about half of what it will do. On an annual basis; I'm still not spending more than using cheap oil, cheap filters and changing them constantly. Based on independent lab results, I'm way ahead of even changing dino oil with a Fram filter every month or 1000 miles!! More offensive content: if you still use a Fram filter, look them up. They are not the same good old Fram you are used to. It is a fact that you will void the factory on at least one particular engine if you bring it into the shop for an engine repair and it has a Fram filter on it. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif No rumor, no guess, just a fact. Look up those filters now and read independent filter tests if you don't believe me. There was a good link to an oil filter test either on here or BIOTG, but I don't recall where it is now.

gsxr1100 · Jun 21, 2005

I agree. Fram is not Fram and they were bought out by someone. You are not conservative; we both have not “seem the light” on the worlds best oil, and you know what that is!!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

You also will not know what it is since you have the wrong diesel I guess. he he he

TractorLegend · Jun 21, 2005

Oh yes--- Engineers are blessed by the Lord Jesus himself and are as infallible as the pope /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Back to running for cover /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Are they the same ones who build automobiles around the heater core and sharpen all the underdash edges? I'd believe EVERYTHING they come up with... lol

Soundguy · Jun 21, 2005

Engineers do some hokey things.. I imagine it is usually at the direction of a bean counter saving a half cent, and screwing up somehting to do it though.

All the important wireing that is run under the bottom castings on tractors come to mind. Seems like we have at least 1-2 messages a week where brush has unplugged the 'main wire' under someones 30,000$ tractor leaving them stranded.. all because there was no factory protection for the wire under the tractor. I still stick to my comment that if that happens.. that the tractor manufacturer should make the bean counter or engineer who changed/designed that 'problem'... come out and personally repair the tractor each and every time that wire comes undone... /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Soundguy

gsxr1100 · Jun 21, 2005

I do not know if I would say that. But I put more respect in them since I am one and know what we did to get our jobs. It is not 15 week class and then you are blessed either.

If you think it is all engineers that make the calls, well, become one and see that you are, well wrong. Also it is a lot more then bean counters too.

You can have engineers design it and sign off on it, purchasing, quality, reliability, analysis, materials, systems, manufacturing, project, components, environmental, electrical & software like it but the customer does not. In the end the customer says yes or not. I have seen this hundreds of times. And this is only for Military, never mind NASA items. Purchasing does not have much pull in my job. Never has and never will. Case in point, it only takes 1 dept to mess it up.

Everyone has opinions and if you were on, you would see what happens since you are off by a lot.