Fire fighting query

[JDgreen227]

Thanks for detailed info, I try to start threads that will provoke numerous responses. Agree with you about battery powered detectors, and even here in my remodeled home 8 years old, the main detectors are hard wired but have battery backups so cutting power to them would not silence them.

AND, to all TBN members...please do what I do, replace the batteries in your detectors AT LEAST EVERY TWO YEARS AND TEST YOUR DETECTORS TWICE YEARLY.

Thanks, I will climb down off my soapbox, then siddown and shuttup now....appreciate your reading that last part about checking your detectors. :thumbsup:

 

[Smallplot]

AND, to all TBN members...please do what I do, replace the batteries in your detectors AT LEAST EVERY TWO YEARS AND TEST YOUR DETECTORS TWICE YEARLY.

I believe the correct battery replacement schedule is twice a year, when time changes. Just a reminder the time will be changing shortly so make sure you have enough batteries on hand to switch them out.

 

[Smallplot]

JDgreen227 I was wondering where you were going with this as I read it. Was wondering if it was one of those "hold my beer" moments or your satellite TV went out and was just looking for something to ease the boredom. :laughing:

 

[firedog]

We no longer pull meters as some firefighters have been electrocuted doing this! Also if the meter has been bypassed (aka grow-op) pulling the meter will give a false sense of security

Absolutely! Also if high current fault condition exist at the time the meter is pulled it can create a substantial arc flash.

+1 on detector(S)

Early detection is far better. I've always wondered why "we" teach kids to "stop, drop & roll" more than we do to "get low & go".

 

[forgeblast]

Forgot to change the batterys this year, its on my list of things to get today! thanks,.

 

[JDgreen227]

JDgreen227 I was wondering where you were going with this as I read it. Was wondering if it was one of those "hold my beer" moments or your satellite TV went out and was just looking for something to ease the boredom. :laughing:

Well to be honest, a few days ago I was sitting in my back yard with several of my neighbors, two of which are cops, and they have firepits too, we were talking about the possibility of fire from a firepit like mine or theirs, and the conversation turned to fire fighting with a garden hose....which led to the thread issue itself. I have passed my learnings here on to them.

One picture shows my "old" firepit...the other picture my new one, minus the stump. In case anybody wonders why I didn't just build the new firepit OVER the stump, local codes require a firepit to be 25 feet from any dwelling AND one foot below grade to pass inspection, and the stump center just happened to be 23 feet from the house...:laughing:

 

[grnspot110]

In my 13 years of professional firefighting and many fires I have never received a shock (knock on wood) from interior attacks

We do usually shut off main breaker ASAP shut off natural gas ASAP. And back it up with getting hydro to cut power to the building.

We no longer pull meters as some firefighters have been electrocuted doing this! Also if the meter has been bypassed (aka grow-op) pulling the meter will give a false sense of security

Hydro disconnecting power at pole is the only %100 guarantee

I know they now recommend not pulling meters, but that is a recent thing (last 10 years or less). I started my FF career in the mid-70's, many things were done different! I would still prefer to have the meter pulled! Fortunately (for me) I retired nearly six years ago after 29 years on the job!

Utility companies are sometimes slow about responding in rural areas. They are allowed two hours to respond here & sometimes take that long for the gas co. to get here from Kansas City on weekends & Holidays. Depends on who's on call. ~~ grnspot

 

[grsthegreat]

yeiks...you need a permit for a fire pit? where is this world heading

 

[JDgreen227]

yeiks...you need a permit for a fire pit? where is this world heading

My township adopted a much stricter fire code back about 2005, I think a lot of the reason was because new apartment complexes were built here that housed thousands of college students, and many of the buildings had multi-storied small balconies that were often wood, meaning drunk kids could use gas grills and charcoal cookers and risk everybody's safety. In another thread I started in the Safety forum, there was a discussion about burning barrels. Here too, they are restricted, and many people in smaller plots of land cannot have a fire pit because you have to have a certain amount of property to get a permit. Open burning requires a permit and an inspection, even during the middle of the winter!! This January I burnt a brushpile that was 500 feet from any building, there was two feet of snow on the ground but I still needed a permit and an inspection.

 

[grsthegreat]

My township adopted a much stricter fire code back about 2005, I think a lot of the reason was because new apartment complexes were built here that housed thousands of college students, and many of the buildings had multi-storied small balconies that were often wood, meaning drunk kids could use gas grills and charcoal cookers and risk everybody's safety. In another thread I started in the Safety forum, there was a discussion about burning barrels. Here too, they are restricted, and many people in smaller plots of land cannot have a fire pit because you have to have a certain amount of property to get a permit. Open burning requires a permit and an inspection, even during the middle of the winter!! This January I burnt a brushpile that was 500 feet from any building, there was two feet of snow on the ground but I still needed a permit and an inspection.

Yeiks, here in Idaho all you have to worry about is whether burn season is open or not. Then no one cares. If the season is open or closed its listed on the stations reader boards.. NO permits.

 

[ultrarunner]

Hey...
Fire prevention will cite you if a tree is too close to a chimney... you still need to go to the permit counter and pay $65 for a tree removal permit and wait 4 weeks til the public comment period has closed...

I had to do this with an old walnut tree in the backyard...

Oh... Fired Department came to check on the removal and saw it was still there... good thing I had my paid permit application on hand or I would have been fined.

 

[grsthegreat]

Hey...
Fire prevention will cite you if a tree is too close to a chimney... you still need to go to the permit counter and pay $65 for a tree removal permit and wait 4 weeks til the public comment period has closed...

I had to do this with an old walnut tree in the backyard...

Oh... Fired Department came to check on the removal and saw it was still there... good thing I had my paid permit application on hand or I would have been fined.

yeiks.... you need a permit to remove a tree?????

 

[Smallplot]

Pretty bad when a common sense matter has to be taken care of by permit. Just makes you wonder what someone did to get all that started.

I can just hear it, really officer my wife wanted me to take out this stump right next to my house, who would ever think it would catch my house on fire? I only had to pour a little gas on it to get it started. After watching it for a while I decided to run out and mow my pasture. The next thing I saw, my house was on fire and it took the fire department 20 minutes to get here.

They always want to blame someone else right?

 

[JDgreen227]

Pretty bad when a common sense matter has to be taken care of by permit. Just makes you wonder what someone did to get all that started.

I can just hear it, really officer my wife wanted me to take out this stump right next to my house, who would ever think it would catch my house on fire? I only had to pour a little gas on it to get it started. After watching it for a while I decided to run out and mow my pasture. The next thing I saw, my house was on fire and it took the fire department 20 minutes to get here.

They always want to blame someone else right?

If I didn't know better I would think somebody was making fun of me here....:laughing: my feelings are if a burning stump 23 feet away spreads to my house, a burning stump 25 feet away probably would too.

 

[Smallplot]

If I didn't know better I would think somebody was making fun of me here....:laughing: my feelings are if a burning stump 23 feet away spreads to my house, a burning stump 25 feet away probably would too.

No, I was thinking about the guy who lit it off about 3 foot from his house causing the ruckus and that guy behind the desk to say "Well if we say 25 feet there will never be another incident like that again". Lol.

 

[ericher69]

grnspot110;

Congratulations on your 29yrs and retirement

I was not trying to prove anybody wrong or myself right; only trying to answer the OP's question with a little extra info!

Here in Ontario in most municipalities you also need a permit for most things (including fire pits and burying pools)

Can u say TAX Grab!

 

[tommu56]

yeiks.... you need a permit to remove a tree?????

It gets worse the borough near me has a shade tree commission they come along and plant a tree between the curb and sidewalk on your property and you cant say no!

In 5 or 10 years when the roots push up the walk creating a tripping hazard the building inspector cites you for the hazard.
Then you get the privilege of paying for the repair too.

Those trees are golden you aren't allowed to cut prune or remove them or you get fined and get fined for the leaf litter if you don't clean it up.

tom

 

[JDgreen227]

It gets worse the borough near me has a shade tree commission they come along and plant a tree between the curb and sidewalk on your property and you cant say no!

In 5 or 10 years when the roots push up the walk creating a tripping hazard the building inspector cites you for the hazard.
Then you get the privilege of paying for the repair too.

Those trees are golden you aren't allowed to cut prune or remove them or you get fined and get fined for the leaf litter if you don't clean it up.

tom

And to make matters even worse, your tax money paid for the tree in the first place....:laughing:

 

[JDgreen227]

No, I was thinking about the guy who lit it off about 3 foot from his house causing the ruckus and that guy behind the desk to say "Well if we say 25 feet there will never be another incident like that again". Lol.

Yup...the brush pile shown is 500 feet from the closest house and almost 900 feet from my house, and i still needed a permit and inspection...GO FIGGER !!!!!

 

[grsthegreat]

It gets worse the borough near me has a shade tree commission they come along and plant a tree between the curb and sidewalk on your property and you cant say no!

In 5 or 10 years when the roots push up the walk creating a tripping hazard the building inspector cites you for the hazard.
Then you get the privilege of paying for the repair too.

Those trees are golden you aren't allowed to cut prune or remove them or you get fined and get fined for the leaf litter if you don't clean it up.

tom

HOLYCRA$.... man, if they tried that here in Idaho, there would be a lynch party hehe.

Actually, back in 1996 when i moved ther from southern Calif, i actually called the city to find out what permits are required to cut trees on my 20 acres, as i was used to calif's no cut policies (though at that time was mostly for Oak trees). They just about laughed me off the phone.

They told me its my property..do what you want with it.

AS it should be everywheres.