Firewood processor build thread

   / Firewood processor build thread #91  
Earlier you mentioned that you had some Lincoln brand mig tips, this seemed odd as Lincoln tips are not comparable with miller guns.
May not have any bearing on your current issues but figured I'd mention it.
 
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Earlier you mentioned that you had some Lincoln brand mig tips, this seemed odd as Lincoln tips are not comparable with miller guns.
May not have any bearing on your current issues but figured I'd mention it.

I've always used Lincoln branded .30 tips, they're just a lot easier to come across. They screw in properly and I've never had an issue with them, never would have dawned on me they weren't compatible with my gun. My trouble only started when I switched to the .35 Hobart tips. Those tips say Miller on them, but they're tough to screw in, you need to use pliers. I'm thinking it's just the larger wire in a old liner and not the tips, that's my hope anyway. I'll be checking those Lincoln tips out more closely though, thanks.
 
   / Firewood processor build thread #93  
I developed the same problem with my Millermatic 252. I bought the machine thinking I could weld just about anything I ever wanted to weld and for awhile it did. I noticed from the start that when I did small jobs it welded like a dream. But then while I was welding two large I-beams together to go into my shop for an overhead rail for a 1 ton chain fall I found that the more I welded the more hang ups I would have. Backlashes, wire burning up into the tip and just basically all around crappy welds.

I asked everyone I knew what could be wrong and all I got was change the tip, change the liner, welding with the wrong settings, the welder doesn't know what he's doing. I got that last one over on the Miller site from a couple of the know it all's over there. It was so frustrating....I mean to spend all that money for more machine that I thought I would ever need and then have problems like that was heart breaking.

I had an older Miller transformer machine that I welded with for years and in all that time I don't think I ever replaced the liner in it and to burn up a tip was a very rare thing and I welded with it for days and it never missed a beat. The reason I mention this is that it had the very same torch on it that was supposed to be on this new machine so when I bought it I didn't see the need to upgrade it to something larger.

Well, the M 25 torches today are not the same torches that were on the older machines. I guess to stay competitive Miller did what everyone else does and gets cheap on stuff where ever they can to keep their prices down. It's like buying a bag of potato chips......you used to get a a smaller bag but it was full of chips for like .20 cents. Now you get a great big ol bag with nothing but air in it for a buck forty nine.

Anyway, after being called too dumb to even own a welder by the welding legions over on the miller site, replacing drive rollers several times, replacing liner after liner, after burning up hundreds of tips, throwing away several rolls of wire thinking it was rolled wrong, I even took it to one of millers repair centers where it stayed for 2 long months and all I got was a new liner...(even after I had already told them it was a new one in the torch that had never had an inch of wire run through it) and a $250 bill even through it was still under warranty, I finally realized that the m-25 torch was just not the same as the torch on my older machine.

What was happening was.....and this is my own judgment on this, was that after you weld for awhile especially if you are welding long runs the whole assembly heats up and especially where the light weight aluminum angled piece at the end is. Where the aluminum and the copper pieces connect at the tip it gets so hot that it actually caused the steel liner that the wire runs through to expand enough that it will twist or unwind causing the hole in the liner to become smaller which pinches the wire and well you know what happens next. You can replace all the pieces at the end of the torch and weld for awhile but if you are welding long and hard you will end up upgrading to a heavier torch if you ever want to get anything done. I might say that I came to this conclusion on my own because no one over at Miller or the miller forum will admit it and still want to blame it on the operator.


Let me say this......I am not bashing Miller.....well maybe a little but I love my 252 I just wish when I bought the machine they had told me to upgrade the torch if I really wanted to use it.:laughing:
 
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Ouch, that sounds like it sucks. Very frustrating, glad you got it sorted out. Thankfully, my issue turned out to simply be the liner, it welded like a dream last night.
 
   / Firewood processor build thread #95  
Good to hear you are back in business. Gives me some incentive to change my own that has been giveing me grief
 
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Good to hear you are back in business. Gives me some incentive to change my own that has been giveing me grief

I'm just a weekend hack so the thought of having to change the liner struck a little fear in me at first. It's probably the easiest, cheapest, quickest fixes you can make.
 
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Well, I tried to pick up the processor and move it out of the garage. It's currently pretty stripped down with only the cutting head installed out of all the removable pieces. The tractor picked it up with no effort, but I couldn't figure out a way to position the chains to keep it stable and finally gave up before destroying something. I wanted to remove the splitting head and clean it up to make it fit a little better. I ended up removing it with jacks and saw horses and got it ground down and cleaned up. It fits much better now. I've also finished most of the welding on the main processor, now I need to finish all the removable pieces like the pusher plate assembly, log stands and the arm. That's tonight, tomorrow I'll clean it up and hopefully I'll put a little paint on it this weekend. If I can get it assembled and working sometime next week, I'll be happy.

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Cleaned up and ready to paint. I'm not going to put much effort into cleaning the inside of the frame, I don't expect paint to last in there anyway.
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Wow, am I an idiot... I took a little break from welding and looked down at my welding helmet after I took it off. On the inside lens you could see the protective film that they put on it to keep it from scratching before you buy it was starting to peel in one corner. All this time I've been struggling to see, I compulsively clean the outside lens but never noticed I forgot to remove the packing film from the inside! I took it off and it was like the lights were turned on for the first time. My welds improved drastically after that.

Not a word of this RT and Jon, if you come over to check it out this weekend, no laughing at me!
 
   / Firewood processor build thread #99  
LOL! Can we laugh now from behind the safety of a keyboard instead? :)
 
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Join the club - but you're a bit too late to be president :D
 

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