First long towing trip with 2015 F150 2.7EB

[JWR]

Pretty sure all the 3.5 engines were twin turbo.

I own a 2017 5.0 F150. It痴 what was on the lot, optioned the way I wanted, but I wouldn稚 be afraid if any of the turbo motors.

After some web searching Dodge Man you are correct. The 2015 is shown in spec sheets to have twin turbines. I was misled by a neighbor with a newer F-150 3.5 Ecoboost v6 who said mine was single turbine.

 

[Jstpssng]

It was proven that people were destroying the lug nuts by over tightening. The lawsuit was dismissed. The lug nuts were not a good idea since many over tighten as a normal practice.

I don't doubt that. I know that I don't use a torque wrench when putting them on, and never really liked the way the lug nuts tightened onto my alloy wheels.
Then again I didn't know anything about a lawsuit; wouldn't it have been easier to go out a decent set of lug nuts?... Or a torque wrench.?

Getting back to the Ecoboost… I"ve heard that it's a sweet engine and thought briefly about going that route, but already have Silverado for my work truck and really didn't want another full sized vehicle.

 

[deerefan]

Mine is a 2015 first aluminum year. Low miles so far but 100% happy. 3.5 single turbo. Power aplenty. For towing purposes (comparing to my old 2000 F-250 V-10 stick) power is never the issue. Weight is. Once in a long while I tow a 3000lb 21ft trailer with a 9000 lb tractor aboard. Hills are fine, stopping is fine with electric brakes of course. But overall stability is just not there compared to the older heavier F-250. In general great vehicle & love it.

Though I know the power to handle 12k lbs is there, I have always felt 1/2 ton trucks were a little light to handle that weight. If I were towing regularly in excess of 8k lbs, I would be in a 3/4 ton at a minimum IMHO.

 

[Mat4644]

I tighten lug nuts and don't measure and are probably over tightening. It's a good thing I've never had a vechicle with the laminated ones. Bad idea for Ford to use.

I wanted a part time work truck. Each buy cycle I go down a notch in luxury. Last buy is an XL and with towing option and locking rear axle still cost an arm and leg. Even stripped still get radio & CD, Bluetooth , power windows, air, cruise and very comfortable seats. The performance and gas milage of the EB engines are a huge difference from my V8 it replaced.

 

[Grumpycat]

The "experts" say to drain hot. Suspends the heavy particles so they come out with the oil.

"Experts" do not want to tell car dealerships they have to let cars sit 4 hours to cool before draining the oil.

If particles are so heavy then how is redistributing them throughout the engine before draining the oil an improvement? If so heavy then they are in the bottom of the crankcase pan nearest the drain to be the first things that come out.

Ford says the 2.7EB needs a long drain to get all the oil out. So why not drain cold? Oil has had hours to trickle down to the crankcase pan.

I learned to drain cold nearly 20 years ago with a Toyota Avalon. Hot, the oil filter was full of oil, mounted at a 45 degree (website won't properly display ｰ degree symbol) angle immediately above what was said to be a $700 "active motor mount". Made a huge mess to remove the oil filter.

When cold the oil filter had almost no oil inside. Less oil than the 45 degree angle would suspect. Came off clean, no spill. But I also found the engine held 5.0 quarts to 1/8" below the FULL line on dipstick when drained cold. Hot drain filled 5.0 quarts was 1/4" or more over the FULL line.

So it was a matter of cold drain didn't burn my hands on exhaust manifold and spill oil out of the used filter, and I got more oil out of the engine, and the convenience of using exactly one 5 quart jug of Mobil-1. Versus "everybody says to do it hot."

This is from the 2018 F-150 owner's manual:

 

[Grumpycat]

I'm a Chevy guy who bought a Ford2.7 EB a numner of years ago. All my friends raved about their Fords so I figured I try one. It was a good truck, but like anything had it's little issues issues. I traded it two years ago when the brake booster started to fail, the smaller engine needed it. Mine was a 2012, and the booster was a recalled component. Except my VIN in 2012 did not qualify. So I then, traded for at a Chevy dealership owned by the same guy who owned the Ford dealership that wouldn't help me out on that recall. The strangest issue, swelling lug nuts on the F150. Google it. They can increase in size due to moisture, making the lug wrench in your cab unusable. Wait until you find that out on the side of a road. I told my buddies this and they laughed, one of them found out the hard way in a parking lot late one night six months after he laughed at me. Engine-wise and drive train, it was rock solid.

You had a rarity, a preproduction prototype. First 2.7EB model year was 2015 in the aluminum body. Not 2012.

One Ford dealer failed to help you with a recall so you rewarded him by purchasing a new Chevrolet from his dealership? I don't understand how that works?

"Swelling lug nuts" was an industry wide problem. A vendor sold many manufacturers on steel lug nuts in a stamped metal (possibly stainless, or possibly just chromed) cover. The steel nut inside rusted "swelling" the cover. Tesla replaced my 2013 Model S lug nuts for exactly this reason. Sadly the replacement has plastic caps which are even uglier.

Just for fun notice you can buy a 21.5mm lug nut socket on Amazon (and elsewhere) because this lug nut problem is so common.

 

[Grumpycat]

It was proven that people were destroying the lug nuts by over tightening. The lawsuit was dismissed. The lug nuts were not a good idea since many over tighten as a normal practice.

My Tesla's lug nuts were not overtightened. I used torque wrench, myself.

The problem was a core steel nut rusting inside a pretty metal cap.

 

[ovrszd]

"Experts" do not want to tell car dealerships they have to let cars sit 4 hours to cool before draining the oil.

If particles are so heavy then how is redistributing them throughout the engine before draining the oil an improvement? If so heavy then they are in the bottom of the crankcase pan nearest the drain to be the first things that come out.

Ford says the 2.7EB needs a long drain to get all the oil out. So why not drain cold? Oil has had hours to trickle down to the crankcase pan.

I learned to drain cold nearly 20 years ago with a Toyota Avalon. Hot, the oil filter was full of oil, mounted at a 45 degree (website won't properly display ｰ degree symbol) angle immediately above what was said to be a $700 "active motor mount". Made a huge mess to remove the oil filter.

When cold the oil filter had almost no oil inside. Less oil than the 45 degree angle would suspect. Came off clean, no spill. But I also found the engine held 5.0 quarts to 1/8" below the FULL line on dipstick when drained cold. Hot drain filled 5.0 quarts was 1/4" or more over the FULL line.

So it was a matter of cold drain didn't burn my hands on exhaust manifold and spill oil out of the used filter, and I got more oil out of the engine, and the convenience of using exactly one 5 quart jug of Mobil-1. Versus "everybody says to do it hot."

This is from the 2018 F-150 owner's manual:
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Please run a test for me.

Remove drain plug and wait 1 minute. Then place a separate catch basin under the hole and wait 14 minutes. Then measure the oil captured in the last catch basin. Report that here on this thread please?

Thank you!

 

[ovrszd]

My Tesla's lug nuts were not overtightened. I used torque wrench, myself.

The problem was a core steel nut rusting inside a pretty metal cap.

Any lug nut that uses a pretty cap over the part of the lug nut that the socket fits on is junk. They should always be replaced.

 

[paulfun9]

Any lug nut that uses a pretty cap over the part of the lug nut that the socket fits on is junk. They should always be replaced.

I have to agree 100%. I have actually had dealerships change out the lugs on new cars and trucks to good aftermarket before I took delivery. They got me once with those cheep things back in the 90’s but won’t get me again!