Ford 4000

[NDRick]

Hey Folks,

Looken at a mid 60's Hi/Lo 4sd Gas 4000 Ford with schwartz loader, 3 point snow bucket, grabfork and dirt bucket for $7,500 OBO.

Has anyone ever had any experience with this type tractor?

Just like to be able to lift a 1000-1500lb hay bale every so often and till tree rows now and then.

Thanx! in advance for any/all replies

Rick

 

[Farmwithjunk]

Hey Folks,

Looken at a mid 60's Hi/Lo 4sd Gas 4000 Ford with schwartz loader, 3 point snow bucket, grabfork and dirt bucket for $7,500 OBO.

Has anyone ever had any experience with this type tractor?

Just like to be able to lift a 1000-1500lb hay bale every so often and till tree rows now and then.

Thanx! in advance for any/all replies

Rick

In general, that's a "good" tractor. The later model 3-cylinder 4000's were "great" tractors. So long as it's in decent shape, it SHOULD do what you describe as your needs. In my immediate area, that's a $4000 (or under) tractor, not including the loader or accessories, provided it's in average to good condition. Gas being somewhat less desirable than diesel. Just the loader alone usually adds $1500 to $2000 here.

 

[BobG_in_VA]

Hey Folks,

Looken at a mid 60's Hi/Lo 4sd Gas 4000 Ford with schwartz loader, 3 point snow bucket, grabfork and dirt bucket for $7,500 OBO.

Has anyone ever had any experience with this type tractor?

Rick

I may be mistaken, but check the trans on that 4000 again...during the 60's (early to mid anyway), Fords only came with 4 speed or a "tower" 5 speed. The tower trans had a 2 stage clutch for use with the PTO.
As to whether it can do the job, I wouldn't go for it unless it has the the 2 stage PTO clutch, otherwise the PTO runs off the trans resulting in some "surprises' once in a while if you aren't used to them. BobG in VA

 

[dgl24087]

The 3 cyl. 4000's came out as late 1965 models, would have had the 8x2 tranny. The 4 cyl. 4000 was also produced in early 1965.

 

[lhfarm]

I had a 64 4000, 4cyl, 4 speed gas w/ loader. It did have live pto (2 stage). I baled hay with it, but did square bales, so can't say if it would left that much. But was a good utility tractor. Here is a picture http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...0d1115060708-tc40da-here-642568-blue-008a.jpg. It was a great tractor for me. I wanted a BH and a more modern tractor. I sold it in may of '05 for $4200. I think that asking price, even with the other attachments seems high.

Here is another comparison shoot http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...8019d1115049874-tc40da-here-642448-blue3a.jpg

 

[BobG_in_VA]

I had a 64 4000, 4cyl, 4 speed gas w/ loader. It did have live pto (2 stage). I baled hay with it, but did square bales, so can't say if it would left that much. But was a good utility tractor. Here is a picture http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...0d1115060708-tc40da-here-642568-blue-008a.jpg. It was a great tractor for me. I wanted a BH and a more modern tractor. I sold it in may of '05 for $4200. I think that asking price, even with the other attachments seems high.

Here is another comparison shoot http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...8019d1115049874-tc40da-here-642448-blue3a.jpg

Good to know that the 4 spd also had the 2 stage clutch. Our next door neigbor (dairy farmer) bought one of the "new" Fords in the early 60's and it had the tower 5 spd with the 2 stage clutch....My bad on the 4 speed...Bobg in Va

 

[NDRick]

Hey Folks,

I went and actually looked at the tractor today. The guy could'nt be there so I could'nt drive it.

I was hoping you could digest what I saw/found out and give me a little feedback if/when you had a chance.

So here goes ...

The tires have been filled for weight.

The fella said over the phone that he's lifted upwards of 1800lb bales with her.

I saw zero welds/cracks anywhere on the loader or on the tractor for that matter.

All the hoses looked to be in exceptional shape.

He said he'd kept it inside and it looked it.

The loader is run by a pump mounted on the front of the tractor. The guy said it's OE.

He has a 2 hose hyd rear blade (not part of the deal but on there) .
The hoses are mounted to a box that looks OE just forward/under the seat.

It is infact a Hi/Lo four speed.

I saw a couple tall levers just in front of the seat?

All in all I'd say it looked in great shape.

Anyway considering what I saw today is there anything anyone would want to add?

Lastly ... if I can take here for a spin tomorrow is there anything else I should keep my eye out for?

Thanx!! in advance for any info you can provide.

Rick

 

[dgl24087]

I'd hope it has power steering with a loader, if it is the 3 cyl. 4000, it'll suck the gas down fast and furious.

 

[Soundguy]

I may be mistaken, but check the trans on that 4000 again...during the 60's (early to mid anyway), Fords only came with 4 speed or a "tower" 5 speed. The tower trans had a 2 stage clutch for use with the PTO.
As to whether it can do the job, I wouldn't go for it unless it has the the 2 stage PTO clutch, otherwise the PTO runs off the trans resulting in some "surprises' once in a while if you aren't used to them. BobG in VA

Not all ford 5-spd's are dual clutch... it could be dual or single.. just have to look at the tractor model #. For instance int he 801 series.... a model 851 has a single clutch 5spd.. an 861 has a dual clutch 5-spd.

The pre 65 4000 / 4cyl were just updated 801 series tractors.

soundguy

 

[Robert_in_NY]

The box under the seat should be the hydraulic valve body. It has been a while but my Ford 4000 was newer and had two levers under the seat you had to use to run the Ford loader on it. It was a pain in the backside having to reach under the seat to work the loader which is why I traded it in on the TN65

I like the old Fords and the 4000 is a good size tractor for most people. It isn't too big and not too small. Good luck with whatever you decide

 

[Soundguy]

I kinda like the valvebody under the seat. My 660 and 850 are setup that way. I use a thumb and forfinger to runt he loader or 3pt.

On the flip side.. all you have to do to get a fender mount joystick is to run fluid from that under seat valve to your convienient valve onthe fender or dash... just a little more plumbing.. just make the underseat valve body a 'remote'.. and plumb the laoder from the remote.. etc.

soundguy

 

[lhfarm]

Hey Folks,

I went and actually looked at the tractor today. The guy could'nt be there so I could'nt drive it.

I was hoping you could digest what I saw/found out and give me a little feedback if/when you had a chance.

So here goes ...

The tires have been filled for weight.

The fella said over the phone that he's lifted upwards of 1800lb bales with her.

I saw zero welds/cracks anywhere on the loader or on the tractor for that matter.

All the hoses looked to be in exceptional shape.

He said he'd kept it inside and it looked it.

The loader is run by a pump mounted on the front of the tractor. The guy said it's OE.

He has a 2 hose hyd rear blade (not part of the deal but on there) .
The hoses are mounted to a box that looks OE just forward/under the seat.

It is infact a Hi/Lo four speed.

I saw a couple tall levers just in front of the seat?

All in all I'd say it looked in great shape.

Anyway considering what I saw today is there anything anyone would want to add?

Lastly ... if I can take here for a spin tomorrow is there anything else I should keep my eye out for?

Thanx!! in advance for any info you can provide.

Rick

My 4000 had a pump for the loader on the front, running off the crank and the loader controls were on the loader tower (you can see them in the one picture). The lever under the seat controled the rear remote. A really nice feature. I pulled a large hydraulic no-till grass drill and ran my log splitter off the remotes. The transmission is set up as a shuttle (forward/reverse) that is great for loader work. It did have power steering. I had to rebuild both the steering pump and the hydraulic pump. Both are external and easy to get to.
Beyond the usual smoke test, I might ask if he has had the hydraulic pump rebuilt. I have an N of one, so it may not be an issue with other 4000s.

 

[Bob_Young]

Make sure your Ford 4000 gets the right power steering fluid. Ours leaked for years and kept getting worse. Had the reddish ATF fluid in it when we got it and that's what we kept adding....no operator's manual.

When it got to the point where it looked like a rebuild was next, I checked at NH and found I was supposed to be using something else. Put the right stuff in and the leaks stopped. Been fine ever since.
Bob

 

[Soundguy]

ATF is quite a bit thinner than UTF..

Soundguy

 

[NDRick]

Folks,

Thanx!! for all the help ... one more question though

The gal who owns the tractor took some serial numbers off an ID tag plate located inside the engine hood area.

The ID plate showed the following ...

Tractor ID C292192

Model D1024C

Unit OM22B

Engine OD16A

Trans 0E26B

Our question is ... Is the tractor ID number the number used to figure out the year the tractor was produced? and what do the other numbers mean?

I'm/we are interseted in the tractor ID number because if it represents the production year (C292192) would seem to indicate the tractor is a 1971 model ... see below.

1970: C257600
1971: C292100

This is interesting because the fella said it was a mid
1960's tractor?

Anyway, Thanx!! in advance for any/all replies

Rick in North Dakota ... it's a dry cold

 

[dgl24087]

Assuming that the sheet metal is original, you are correct in it being manufactured in 1971.

 

[Soundguy]

Here's some interesting news for you:

C292192 is technically 92 units into the 1971 SN range.

However.. the date code of 0M22B decodes to:
0 = 1970
m= december
22 = dec, 22, 1970
b = day shift IE.. a late dec 70 model.. most likely produced for the 71 year.. etc.

Model D1024C

d = 4000 ( post 4-1968 )
10 = Ag all purpose chassie
2 = gas fuel
4 = indepentend 540 pto
C = 8spd trans.

Soundguy

Folks,

Thanx!! for all the help ... one more question though

The gal who owns the tractor took some serial numbers off an ID tag plate located inside the engine hood area.

The ID plate showed the following ...

Tractor ID C292192

Model D1024C

Unit OM22B

Engine OD16A

Trans 0E26B

Our question is ... Is the tractor ID number the number used to figure out the year the tractor was produced? and what do the other numbers mean?

I'm/we are interseted in the tractor ID number because if it represents the production year (C292192) would seem to indicate the tractor is a 1971 model ... see below.

1970: C257600
1971: C292100

This is interesting because the fella said it was a mid
1960's tractor?

Anyway, Thanx!! in advance for any/all replies

Rick in North Dakota ... it's a dry cold

 

[Farmwithjunk]

Here's some interesting news for you:

C292192 is technically 92 units into the 1971 SN range.

However.. the date code of 0M22B decodes to:
0 = 1970
m= december
22 = dec, 22, 1970
b = day shift IE.. a late dec 70 model.. most likely produced for the 71 year.. etc.

Model D1024C

d = 4000 ( post 4-1968 )
10 = Ag all purpose chassie
2 = gas fuel
4 = indepentend 540 pto
C = 8spd trans.

Soundguy

Most tractors, as is common in the automotive industry, switch production of model years prior to the change of calander years. John Deere as a "for instance" used to change production of a model year designation at the end of August. Massey Ferguson, when production was still done in Detroit Michigan, changed model year designation 15th of November. From what I've been told, Ford always had a seasonal shut down about mid December. (Ford Explorer plant in Louisville is on shut down right now) Model year designation probably started with a new model year after that shutdown ended.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

GM and Ford have both shut down some of their truck plants to help reduce inventory on the dealers lots. GM shut three plants down and Ford shut down the Explorer plant near you and one of their truck plants (I don't remember where though). With the way the economy is going people have not been buying trucks and the dealers lots are full of them. I can imagine oil prices are not going to help matters much for the future.

 

[Soundguy]

That would seem to be what happened here then. Due to the close proximity of the #'s.. must have been real close.. perhaps days from the break point.

Soundguy

Most tractors, as is common in the automotive industry, switch production of model years prior to the change of calander years. John Deere as a "for instance" used to change production of a model year designation at the end of August. Massey Ferguson, when production was still done in Detroit Michigan, changed model year designation 15th of November. From what I've been told, Ford always had a seasonal shut down about mid December. (Ford Explorer plant in Louisville is on shut down right now) Model year designation probably started with a new model year after that shutdown ended.