Ford F150-I'm Done.

   / Ford F150-I'm Done. #261  
   / Ford F150-I'm Done. #262  
According to KBB, trade in value is about $10K. I can't see spending $10K+ on a new engine. It is driveable at least to a dealer I think. What a friggin' headache. Only 80K miles!!! Been a ford guy for a long time. Wavering now and have no clue what to do. Comparable new ones are north of $50K!

Good luck with whatever you choose.

My Son buys trucks in this condition off the dealership back row and fixes them. Makes a good second income out of it. The dealership is totally gonna rape you in a trade...... :(
 
   / Ford F150-I'm Done. #263  
Sorry to hear that.

First I'd want a second opinion...

Then, I'd find a custom garage and check on a rebuild price. I'm sure they can repair or rebuild, probably build you a stronger engine anyhow, for half the cost the dealership wants.
Yes, second opinion I agree. Firestone is a tires and brakes place in my mind. Doing lots of research on line. Cam Phaser issues keeps coming up. $2500 but problem might come back.

Was there any reason for this to happen such as running out of oil, being in accident, etc..?
No... a little low on oil when it happened. No accidents.

Includes install, they said that was max price but depending what they can reuse the price will be less. Yeah need to shop it if I go that way.

Do your truck have variable valve timing? My Merc did that at 80k and we took a educated chance and replaced 2 sensors and it worked.
Looking on line, looks to be a cam phaser thing but now there are chips in the engine oil.
 
   / Ford F150-I'm Done. #265  
I'd have an independent shop put an engine in that F150. Summit is usually high because they focus on performance products. A quick look around the internet indicated rebuilt 5.4 Liter engines are around $2500. A shop will want to make a little profit on the engine and then there is labor and odds and ends, but $4000 to $4500 might get you there.
 
   / Ford F150-I'm Done. #266  
That seems more reasonable. This was starting to look like the cost of a diesel engine.
 
   / Ford F150-I'm Done. #267  
I'd have an independent shop put an engine in that F150. Summit is usually high because they focus on performance products. A quick look around the internet indicated rebuilt 5.4 Liter engines are around $2500. A shop will want to make a little profit on the engine and then there is labor and odds and ends, but $4000 to $4500 might get you there.
Thanks... probably best option as truck is in great condition otherwise. Wondering if I should drive it home at this point?
 
   / Ford F150-I'm Done. #268  
If yours was a higher end trim level 2006, it should have been worth more than $10k having only 80k miles on it. Even if it was a higher trim package, there are a lot more options available on the lower trim models than was even available in 2006. A $50k model 2016/17 is going to be a top tier trim and have bells and whistles that weren't even thought of in 2006 along with pretty drastic capability/performance increases. To call anything from 2006 "comparable" to a new $50k truck isn't really reality. A 'nicely equipped' 2016 XLT off the lot for $36k will even have things that were only top tier options in 2006.

The base engine in 2006 was a 4.2L V6 with 202HP and 260ft/lbs of torque.
Your 5.4L V8 put out 300HP and 365ft/lbs of torque.
The base engine in 2016 is a 3.5L V6 with 282HP and 253ft/lbs of torque.
The 5.0L option for the 2016 has 385HP and 387ft/lbs of torque.

Anything the trucks of yesteryear could do, the trucks of today can too. Those worried about handling a load, don't need to be. The 700lbs weight savings they talk about really doesn't put it into perspective for me. The best comparative example I've seen says the heaviest, largest, most feature laden 2015+ is 200lbs heavier than the lightest, smallest, most basic 2014 that was built. That 700lbs wasn't much. Then take into consideration the lower center of gravity from the lighter body work, changes in frame design, setting the engines down farther between the frame rails, all this leads to extra stability.

After having over 28000 miles under my butt in mine, I'm still impressed by all of the innovations of the past 10 years, as well as the thought that went into most of the implementations of those innovations. I came from a 2006 Ford Ranger XLT that I paid just under $20k for when new, into a 2015 F150 Lariat that I paid less than $40k for, also new.
 
   / Ford F150-I'm Done. #269  
The new 3.5L in the 2017 addresses the carbon buildup on the intake valves common to all direct injection engines of every stripe with a combination of port injection (that will clean the carbon off) and direct injection. It also fixes an uncommon problem of the seal on the high pressure fuel pump failing and dumping fuel into the crankcase. Drill a 1/16" hole at the lowest point in the intercooler and the new engine should be better than the 3.5L ecoboosts from 2011-16.

Chain stretch wise for the older 2011 EB engines, increased oil change frequency should keep that problem at bay.

I've added a huge catch can to stop the crankcase vent system from dumping oil vapor into my intake system that hastens the carbon build-up on the intake valves and causes misfiring.
 
   / Ford F150-I'm Done. #270  
I got the 3.5L ecoboost in my 2015 too. Rather than modifying it I just got enough warranty to cover me when they need to replace the heads later down the line.
 
   / Ford F150-I'm Done. #271  
CRAP!!! you all ain't gonna believe this. I have 80K on my truck and shortly after my post above, my truck started to intermittently sound like a diesel at low rpm and then the oil pressure would drop to zero then recover. Pulled into Firestone and let them run a diagnostic check. Got a call this morning that they think it is the timing chain and there are chips in the engine. Recommendation... new engine. $11K installed! WTF?

Got online and it appears there is quite the history with cam phasers, etc. Now I am in a dilemma of what to do. Maybe limp it to the Ford dealer and trade it in? Suggestions?
My guess is its the timing chain tensioner. The chips are probablyaluminum and have caused no damage.

It happened to my BIL'S F150 that went over 30K miles between oil changes. I posted pics on this site in a write up.
 
   / Ford F150-I'm Done. #272  
My guess is its the timing chain tensioner. The chips are probablyaluminum and have caused no damage.

It happened to my BIL'S F150 that went over 30K miles between oil changes. I posted pics on this site in a write up.
I just bumped the thread for you. It's called "Why you should change your oil"

By the way the truck is still going strong to this day with no other repairs or issues.
 
   / Ford F150-I'm Done. #273  
Another quote... $7500 re-man and install. Wonder if it's worth having someone tear into it first to have a look?
 
   / Ford F150-I'm Done. #274  
Thanks... probably best option as truck is in great condition otherwise. Wondering if I should drive it home at this point?

What you are risking is the "core". If for some reason it ruins the block, then your core is gone. Otherwise, don't think it matters much.

Labor versus parts in these deals is usually 50/50. So figure $5K and up.

If you otherwise like the truck I'd have an engine put in it.

As I said earlier, they'll rape you if you try to trade it in this condition. You'd actually probably make money by leaving it home and buying a new truck straight out. :(
 
   / Ford F150-I'm Done. #275  
I just bumped the thread for you. It's called "Why you should change your oil"

By the way the truck is still going strong to this day with no other repairs or issues.

Cam phasers are a common problem with the 5.4L. When the ticking is first heard in the 5.4L, one may try running a quart of transmission fluid in the engine to free them back up. It has worked in the past with people I know.
 
   / Ford F150-I'm Done. #277  
Cam phasers are a common problem with the 5.4L. When the ticking is first heard in the 5.4L, one may try running a quart of transmission fluid in the engine to free them back up. It has worked in the past with people I know.

I know a guy that let a quick lube flush his engine. It was a 5.4 3V. We ended up putting a rebuilt engine in it because it did not carry any oil pressure.
 
   / Ford F150-I'm Done. #278  
CRAP!!! you all ain't gonna believe this. I have 80K on my truck and shortly after my post above, my truck started to intermittently sound like a diesel at low rpm and then the oil pressure would drop to zero then recover. Pulled into Firestone and let them run a diagnostic check. Got a call this morning that they think it is the timing chain and there are chips in the engine. Recommendation... new engine. $11K installed! WTF?

Got online and it appears there is quite the history with cam phasers, etc. Now I am in a dilemma of what to do. Maybe limp it to the Ford dealer and trade it in? Suggestions?

Get a shop to put a mechanical oil pressure gauge in it and see how much oil pressure it has. The variable cam timing works off of oil pressure.
 
   / Ford F150-I'm Done. #279  
My 2006 ford 5.4 triton is just OK in my 2006 F-150 not the best motor I have owned but not the worst at 126,000 miles.Both manifolds have been replaced to the tune of $1200 bucks,spark plugs changed at 60,000 miles for $200.Gas mileage sucks at 15mpg but I knew that before I bought the truck.
 
   / Ford F150-I'm Done. #280  
Apologies to the Goose (OP) as I sort of hijacked the thread but it was relevant at least. I finally tracked down a knowledgable person at Silverdale Transmissions and the place happens to be only a block from where my truck is resting tonight in town. They are very familiar with the 5.4L 3v Triton and are telling me that it is probably 50/50 on a fix or replace engine scenario. They will do an in depth diagnostic w/digital photos, etc. and share every detail with me. Then I can decide on what to do. I do really like my truck and a quick walk around the new F-150s on the lot gave me sticker shock anyways.
 

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