Front 2nd axle gear=have you seen worse?

[K5lwq]

What about the rest of the gears on our Bransons? Are all of them going to fail?

If these tractors are so poorly designed and use inferior parts, why does a dealer such as Takman continue to sell these things to us misguided souls? :confused3:

 

[LouNY]

I know of a 90ish horsepower LS tractor that went through at least three sets of the right side outer reduction gears before it got traded in.
Although part of that may have been the axle stub shaft, failure mode was that the wheel would fall off. They would replace the entire assembly from the end of the axle out to the wheel.
This was due to it having a large snow plow on the loader, the plow was below the weight limit for the loader capacity, but apparently the axle wasn't up to working at that capacity.
As delivered from the dealer with loaded tires and wheel weights (purchased as a package with the tractor, loader and plow), the plow put it over weight on the front axle, when a weight box was added in the back that brought it down to being below the front axle weight capacity.
It was replaced with a slightly larger John Deere that has a double universal joint in the front axle instead of the reduction gears and that has worked flawlessly.

Aaron Z

Then apparently the Deere is using a planetary reduction unit on the end of the axle.
The "lighter" duty tractors using the spur and bevel gears to get the final reduction with quite easily turn shorter the a planetary axle with u joints for articulation.
There is a place for both styles a good planetary units is a higher cost then the spur and bevel units.

 

[ptsg]

Looks more like a cr@ppy chinesium sand casting where they use the as-cast part as the pattern for the next mold.

Id be interested in seeing some examples of famous brands supplying finished gears like this.

Here is one from JD. Yes the finish is much better.

John Deere M85261 Front Axle Spindle Drive Gear - 67 77 79 955 - Bombergers Ecommerce

Anyways, regardless the brand, the very cases of broken gears on the front axle that rarely pop out on the forum, usually comes from someone who rams into a pile of dirt, tries to lift it all at once with little to no ballast in the back or rear wheels in the air and proceeds to reverse...

Of course, something will break. Front wheel drive on these compact tractors is there to assist the rear wheels, not to carry all the load of the tractor plus whatever it's on the loader. Again, will happen to any brand.

 

[Takman]

This and it's mate are the only gears in the entire Branson line up that look like this, all the others are properly machined and look normal. I have tried for years to get Branson to do something about it...

Pointing out a problem is not bashing. Every brand has its problems. Despite a few quirks Branson's are a good machine that is usually heavier for the $ than similar priced tractors. That is a good thing. It's ok to like something and admit it has a problem, IMO.

 

[Takman]

What about the rest of the gears on our Bransons? Are all of them going to fail?

If these tractors are so poorly designed and use inferior parts, why does a dealer such as Takman continue to sell these things to us misguided souls? :confused3:

The above post answers the first two questions.

We sell Branson's because the dealer has more power with them. Kubota, Deere, Case and all the bigger players tell you how many and in some cases what models to keep on the lot. With Branson we have control, the other reason is the price point.

 

[Slowpoke Slim]

This and it's mate are the only gears in the entire Branson line up that look like this, all the others are properly machined and look normal. I have tried for years to get Branson to do something about it...

Pointing out a problem is not bashing. Every brand has its problems. Despite a few quirks Branson's are a good machine that is usually heavier for the $ than similar priced tractors. That is a good thing. It's ok to like something and admit it has a problem, IMO.

You are correct.

However,

One of your previous "stunts" on this forum was to fling mud and baseless (and flat out wrong) "facts" around in every direction. And then disappear into a wisp of smoke when confronted with the facts and asked to explain yourself. Some of this misinformation you were flinging was so basic, and so easy to show the errors of, it really makes us all doubt very much that you are who you say you are, or that you in fact have any experience or knowledge of the brand at all.

So you have a history here, and it's not a good one.

If you were to actually pull up a chair and stay a while, and bring some facts, answer some questions, cite reputable sources of information (you know, like normal people would when having a conversation), you would be welcome to stay as long as you like.

We are not bad guys here at all. But what we detest is muk rakers and cr@p talkers.

Show us that you are not one of those by answering questions and not disappearing into smoke if (or "when" in previous threads) what you claim gets shown to be incorrect.

 

[ericm979]

I've owned 50 or so vehicles. I've yet to have one that didn't have at least a few things that could have been done better. It sounds like Branson did finally fix the front axle vent.

Which of the 15, 20, 25 series are these gears not used in? What's used instead? Just curious.

 

[Takman]

I've owned 50 or so vehicles. I've yet to have one that didn't have at least a few things that could have been done better. It sounds like Branson did finally fix the front axle vent.

Which of the 15, 20, 25 series are these gears not used in? What's used instead? Just curious.

The old style 10+20 series had a completely different axle set up.

 

[K5lwq]

The above post answers the first two questions.

We sell Branson's because the dealer has more power with them. Kubota, Deere, Case and all the bigger players tell you how many and in some cases what models to keep on the lot. With Branson we have control, the other reason is the price point.

Fair enough. So have you tried to source a better made gear set?

 

[Takman]

You are correct.

However,

One of your previous "stunts" on this forum was to fling mud and baseless (and flat out wrong) "facts" around in every direction. And then disappear into a wisp of smoke when confronted with the facts and asked to explain yourself. Some of this misinformation you were flinging was so basic, and so easy to show the errors of, it really makes us all doubt very much that you are who you say you are, or that you in fact have any experience or knowledge of the brand at all.

So you have a history here, and it's not a good one.

If you were to actually pull up a chair and stay a while, and bring some facts, answer some questions, cite reputable sources of information (you know, like normal people would when having a conversation), you would be welcome to stay as long as you like.

We are not bad guys here at all. But what we detest is muk rakers and cr@p talkers.

Show us that you are not one of those by answering questions and not disappearing into smoke if (or "when" in previous threads) what you claim gets shown to be incorrect.

Everything I have posted in this forum true from my experience and conversations with Branson corporate.