Front end goes out again!!!

[Phillip w]

What load would you suggest is more challenging than rocks?? Maybe molten lead? or Gold?

A bucket of wet mucky slimey mud, a bucket of wet sand, a bucket of gravel or road rock, scrapping out junk depending on what you working with.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

There's NO WAY I'd move a loader bucket of rock, with my tinker toy tractor, that's work for a FARM tractor as they have a MUCH heavier built front end!

SR

 

[AxleHub]

Let's stop and think about this a second.

A. Pretty heavy load of rock in the bucket

B. In 2wd it starts spinning. Well what does that tell you? Does it say the rear wheels are off the ground or extremely limited in their weight carrying ?

C. Engages 4wd . . So now all the weight and all the drive requirements are on the 2 front wheels.

D. Now this has happened multiple times where the front end transmission goes out?

E. If this were a hydraulic problem the pressure relief would have kicked off. And that didn't appear to happen that it was the hydraulics. So if the front wheels were sliding or moving and you shift it into 4wd, it would set gear teeth against gear teeth. Was the rear differential lock also depressed at the same time?

Normally I'm always in 4wd before I start lifting a heavy load.

 

[Phillip w]

Bottom line is you are working in close quarters in the barn lot picking up rocks the would be damaging to a brush hog. My 5 year old son was helping me so these are not monster rocks. I used the mf for the close proximity issue and the hydrostat advantage. The loader was not at the breakout point nor was the rear of the tractor try to raise up. Who would want a tractor you cant pick up rocks out of a barn lot with. Yes, this has been a very disappointing tractor with alot of expensive Failures. The sad thing is either the allis has to bail it out or my dad's john deere 4100 which the 4100 literally runs rings around my mf. I'm not putting any more money in thi tractor. I'm going to run till the front end locks up and the junk it. Write this tractor off as a very expensive bad investment.

 

[4570Man]

There's NO WAY I'd move a loader bucket of rock, with my tinker toy tractor, that's work for a FARM tractor as they have a MUCH heavier built front end!

SR

Any tractor should be able to move a bucket full of rock. The big tractor with the heavier built front end is going to have a bigger bucket. Compact tractors breaking front ends just isn’t much of a problem. Any loader that can’t handle the bucket of rock is pretty much useless. That’s like claiming pickups can’t pull trailers because that’s a semi’s job.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

Any tractor should be able to move a bucket full of rock.

If only you knew as much about tractors as you THINK you know! That's complete BS!

I wouldn't carry a load of rock with one size smaller tractor then MY loader tractor, as it would have the same loader as mine and a LIGHTER built front end!

Those are things "I" look at BEFORE I buy!

BTW Front end problems with compacts is NOT uncommon at all...

SR

 

[4570Man]

I don’t recall hearing of more than a few compact tractor axel issues on this forum excluding minor issues such as seals. If you couldn’t carry a bucket of rock in the bucket than then pretty much every compact tractor would be useless. I know you’re not a compact tractor fan, but most non farmers don’t need or want a farm tractor.

 

[AxleHub]

If only you knew as much about tractors as you THINK you know! That's complete BS!

I wouldn't carry a load of rock with one size smaller tractor then MY loader tractor, as it would have the same loader as mine and a LIGHTER built front end!

Those are things "I" look at BEFORE I buy!

BTW Front end problems with compacts is NOT uncommon at all...

SR

Greetings Sawyer Rob,

I guess I'm a little confused. you posted: "I wouldn't carry a load of rock with one size smaller tractor then MY loader tractor, as it would have the same loader as mine and a LIGHTER built front end!"

Unless you're clairvoyant - how do you know how big of a bucket Phillip has - which would certainly make a big difference - - - or which fel he has on his tractor (as I recall its a MF 1531) ?

And wouldn't you say its "uncommon" to have 3 front ends go out on the same unit in a matter of a couple years ? You don't think there is something about that is now a 4th front end that goes out? Nothing in his description gave you the least cause to "wonder" ??

 

[Oldoak]

There's NO WAY I'd move a loader bucket of rock, with my tinker toy tractor, that's work for a FARM tractor as they have a MUCH heavier built front end!

SR

Normally I would agree with you, but you didn't have to be quite so smug about it.

I would think any tractor, be it a full size commercial farm tractor or a sub-compact tractor would have the appropriate sized bucket according the the tractors capability. A bucket of material is a bucket of material. If the bucket was sized correctly, it should be within the tractors capacity to handle it.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

Greetings Sawyer Rob,

I guess I'm a little confused. you posted: "I wouldn't carry a load of rock with one size smaller tractor then MY loader tractor, as it would have the same loader as mine and a LIGHTER built front end!"

Unless you're clairvoyant - how do you know how big of a bucket Phillip has - which would certainly make a big difference - - - or which fel he has on his tractor (as I recall its a MF 1531) ?

And wouldn't you say its "uncommon" to have 3 front ends go out on the same unit in a matter of a couple years ? You don't think there is something about that is now a 4th front end that goes out? Nothing in his description gave you the least cause to "wonder" ??

First of all, I didn't say anything about Philip, I said MY tractor... and I stand by what I said...

THAT remark was referring to ME NOT having chosen "one size smaller tractor" because one size smaller has a lighter front end... MEANING that I knew I was going to be lifting HEAVY loads, so I knew enough to get a STRONGER front end...

As for your other remark... The problem could be the tractor, or it could be the owner or?? I have seen enough front end problems with compacts that I personally wouldn't take a chance on moving buckets FULL of rock or anything else that's heavy, for any distance or over rough ground...

IF, I have those kinds of loads to move I'm going to get something bigger/stronger to move it. It's a no brainer!

SR