Fuel Pump Frustration

[agmccall]

Hi all

I have a Montana R3644 tractor. I need to replace the fuel pump. Montana tractors were made by LS Tractor.

I need to replace the fuel pump, it is a simple process and simple inline fuel pump. The problem I am having is finding a replacement. All replacements I have found have 8mm or 3/8" inlet/outlet. I tried a couple and they seem too powerful when I go to start the tractor the filter bowl is almost like foam to me that seems like it is pumping too much too fast. They have the larger inlet/outlet that I bought some fittings and reduced it down. The ones I have tried are larger than the one on the tractor. It is a bit difficult when purchasing online as you only have a pic to go by, and many do not include sizing specs. I need the inlet outlet to be approx 1/4 maybe 5/32 or in metric around 6mm

It is absolutely ridiculous that if I go to the company that is selling Montana parts, Montana went out of business several years ago so you can still get parts through a tractor dealer that bought the parts department. They want over $400.00 for a $20.00 part

Any help would be greatly appreciated

Thanks

Al McCall

 

[radios1]

either use a 4PSI fuel pump, or use a higher pressure pump with a regulator, problem solved. something like this would work properly. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07JPDZC4...&pd_rd_r=45a98c2c-637a-11e9-b12e-253105b62179

 

[atsah]

Hi all

I have a Montana R3644 tractor. I need to replace the fuel pump. Montana tractors were made by LS Tractor.

I need to replace the fuel pump, it is a simple process and simple inline fuel pump. The problem I am having is finding a replacement. All replacements I have found have 8mm or 3/8" inlet/outlet. I tried a couple and they seem too powerful when I go to start the tractor the filter bowl is almost like foam to me that seems like it is pumping too much too fast. They have the larger inlet/outlet that I bought some fittings and reduced it down. The ones I have tried are larger than the one on the tractor. It is a bit difficult when purchasing online as you only have a pic to go by, and many do not include sizing specs. I need the inlet outlet to be approx 1/4 maybe 5/32 or in metric around 6mm

It is absolutely ridiculous that if I go to the company that is selling Montana parts, Montana went out of business several years ago so you can still get parts through a tractor dealer that bought the parts department. They want over $400.00 for a $20.00 part

Any help would be greatly appreciated

Thanks

Al McCall

Send a picture of what you have, I have a new never used 6mm inlet output 4-7psi I will sell you if you want.

 

[AllDodge]

Looked up in the parts manual it shows an electric fuel pump. Assuming it should output around 3 to 7 psi, and 4 psi would be more then enough. Something like this (has 5/16 ports, but 1/4 should do it)

Universal Low Pressure Electric Fuel Pump 12V Gas Diesel Inline 3-6PSI 1.A 71214531668 | eBay

Have you measured the pressure of the pump?

 

[agmccall]

either use a 4PSI fuel pump, or use a higher pressure pump with a regulator, problem solved. something like this would work properly. Robot Check

That is the one I bought, too big

thanks

al

 

[Oldoak]

Just a thought, perhaps it's not the fault of the new fuel pump you tried. There will be air in the newly installed pump to start off with. That air could be the cause of the foaming you see. Did you try purging out any air by venting the fuel system at the filter bowl or someplace downstream of the new pump?

 

[AllDodge]

Thought about it more, and its probably not the pressure that is making it foam, its the volume. The lift pump feeding the injection pump doesn't need high volume, and all the diesel is mainly going back to the tank, so your filtering a lot of fuel.

Might look for a electric pump for a tractor or mower of similar size. Don't know if this would fit the bill but here is one for a BX1860 so 18hp 3cyl diesel

https://www.completetractor.com/fuel-pump-for-kubota-bx1860-bx1870-bx1870-1-bx1880-bx2360-r1401-51352/?mrkgcl=1181&mrkgadid=3279220753&adpos=1o2&creative=255456459556&device=c&matchtype=&network=g&gclid=Cj0KCQjwhuvlBRCeARIsAM720HqSXmSriRJYsam3XLkOD3sffNf_v8tQ-3uwWGDZK-oATxxCtZQ9pg4aAnRCEALw_wcB

 

[Agvg]

Are you sure the vacuum side of the fuel system is 100 %? If you have a leak it will suck air.

 

[atsah]

Are you sure the vacuum side of the fuel system is 100 %? If you have a leak it will suck air.

And it doesn't have to leak fuel to have an air leak.

 

[radios1]

That is the one I bought, too big

thanks

al

this one has threaded fittings, just get an adapter for the size you need. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CKS4CHH/ref=psdc_15728151_t3_B07JPDZC4M

 

[mini14]

radios1 is correct, its 1/4 pump, it should do the trick, there should be a small fuel filter installed b4 fuel enters the pump like a baldwin bf840 if u got foam its not the pump doing it, your sucking air

 

[atsah]

OP is your fuel filter before or after the pump? If it's before there is no need for the addition of a small pain in the neck filter that will need replacing..

 

[thepumpguysc]

Radio, that's 5-9 psi.. if the 4-7 is "to much" fuel, the poster isnt doing any better..
Sounds like a 1-3 psi is in order here.??
I have 1 I took off a diesel motor that a customer bought, but I have no idea where it is.. sorry

 

[agmccall]

OP is your fuel filter before or after the pump? If it's before there is no need for the addition of a small pain in the neck filter that will need replacing..

The fuel filter is before the pump

al

 

[agmccall]

Thought about it more, and its probably not the pressure that is making it foam, its the volume. The lift pump feeding the injection pump doesn't need high volume, and all the diesel is mainly going back to the tank, so your filtering a lot of fuel.

Might look for a electric pump for a tractor or mower of similar size. Don't know if this would fit the bill but here is one for a BX1860 so 18hp 3cyl diesel

https://www.completetractor.com/fuel-pump-for-kubota-bx1860-bx1870-bx1870-1-bx1880-bx2360-r1401-51352/?mrkgcl=1181&mrkgadid=3279220753&adpos=1o2&creative=255456459556&device=c&matchtype=&network=g&gclid=Cj0KCQjwhuvlBRCeARIsAM720HqSXmSriRJYsam3XLkOD3sffNf_v8tQ-3uwWGDZK-oATxxCtZQ9pg4aAnRCEALw_wcB

That one looks more like mine. Thanks

 

[agmccall]

this one has threaded fittings, just get an adapter for the size you need. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CKS4CHH/ref=psdc_15728151_t3_B07JPDZC4M

NAPA has one like that. They did not have a fitting though, couldn't get on either, although it could have just been a lazy clerk

al

 

[radios1]

NAPA has one like that. They did not have a fitting though, couldn't get on either, although it could have just been a lazy clerk

al

you can try a hardware store or plumbing supply. it's not the pressure or gpm making it foam, btw, it's air getting in the inlet of the pump. you will get some from a newly installed pump..

 

[Sawworcs]

What make is the engine? If Daedong you might try a KIOTI Dealer.

 

[Randy Miller]

my ventrac 4500Z is back to dying after 30 minutes running the PTO, fist time I changed filter and found the vent line was plugged...it worked good for awhile...now its doing same thing again...this time I am going to change the electric fuel pump. Does anyone how I can cross reference this part number out on web (8J01 B76) that is what is on the pump itself, ventrac has a different # in the manual, I was hoping to find one out on web somewhere and not have to pay ventrac over 200 buck for one

 

[thepumpguysc]

If u can post a pic of the injection pump, I can tell u what pressure it runs at..
More than likely u have a PFR pump.. the ones that have an external cam shaft and sit down into it’s own little spot in the engine..??
If so, they run no more than 10 psi..
I hope this helps..