Garage for Power Trac and Shop

   / Garage for Power Trac and Shop #31  
BobRip said:
I am planning to use a wood stove for heating. I am tending towards a good quality one (about $1500 dollars, EPA approved, 70% efficiency, lower clearance), versus the Northern one (about $600, EPA excempt, unknown efficiency, greater clearance), My main rational is efficiency and clearance. I figure I am paying about $50 per square foot, so the stove is cheap compared to building a larger garage. Any comments on this?
I heat my 28by 36 foot with a wood chuck wood coal furnace, its not much larger than the stove that I had in it at first and does a much better job heating it, the stove was a king wood coal stove. When I built my 22 by 36 I ran a large duct over into it and it heats it also to a comfortable temperature. I never put in a proper duct system like you would if it was in your house I just cut holes in the plentium and put regestures in them. To help keep down fine float dust I hung window box fans form the ceiling with a filter on the intake side to help filter out the fine dust. That might help the man that is going to put his shop in the basement. I'll tell you something else about a basement shop if you have a planer and some of the other tools make a lot of noise that might interfere with anyone watching tv upstairs.
 
   / Garage for Power Trac and Shop #32  
ldabe said:
You guys seem to have some pretty good systems going.
I am going to finish off a part of my basement for a workshop, so...
Pics! Lots of Pics, sure would help me out if you guys have any.
Thanks,
Abe.
If you put the shop in the basement go extra to try to sound proof it if you can you will enjoy it a lot better if you are not drowning out the tv, that will make it more family friendly. I would plan my work so that I could do the loudest things when it would be the least disturbing. Another thing about my dust collector I wired a fuse box into my wire going to the collector and rigged up a cable out of the green coated clothes line wire and ran it across my shop and I fixed down cables that I could pull to turn it on and off without going over to the collector to turn it on and off. One of these days I would like to get a remote control to do that but right now what I 'm using works. I'm not too computer savey or I would post pictures. We are supposed to get high speed internet soon so maybe I'll have more interest to learn.
 
   / Garage for Power Trac and Shop #33  
"What size garage do you have and is it adequate?"



I love my 30' X 38' X 10' Morton pole barn with 16', 12', and 3' doors.

That size has the same sq/ft as your 24' X 48', but has room on each side to store or work and room down the middle. 24' only leaves a little over 3' on each side of a 16' OH door! The second floor isn't very useful, but adds a lot of expense! Going to 30' X 48' would give you 83% of the total sq/ft, but down where you can use it for a lot less money!!

A pit is too dangerous. May not be able to get Liability Insurance!

My walls are steel, inside and outside, and roof and ceiling too.

R19 insulation in walls, R38 in ceiling. Very comfortable year round! (Last Summer with the doors closed it didn't get over 80 inside when it was over 100 outside!)

Heat with two 5000W electric overhead heaters. Although I keep it 60 all the time, they seldom run. (Wife didn't notice much change in the electric bill.) Safe, clean, even, inexpensive, instant heat with no labor!

Use TWO overhead doors (8' tall), one front, one rear, for delightful Breezeway effect, and easy access!

For security, forget windows, even in the doors!

I use twelve 8' twin tube High Output fixtures, plus a ceiling fan.
 

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   / Garage for Power Trac and Shop #34  
Adding on a second floor did not cost me that much - you are already paying for the roof and poles. etc. I did gambrel so not a lot of extra expense on walls. Built the barn myself so there were no labor costs either. Having said that, I would rather have 3/4 as much sqft all on the first floor than 100% of the sqft split between 2 floors. Building materials have also gone up a lot since I built mine. If doing it over, I would go single story, bigger foot print, and probably insulated metal sides and roof.

Ken
 
   / Garage for Power Trac and Shop #35  
Hi Fourteen,

Looked at your pictures. Nice barn. Surprises me to see it so empty - we obviously do not share the same pack rat gene. I can barely walk through mine. My barn is 30 x 40. My brother has an old 40 x 60 barn - now that is a nice size. It is 3-story. He keeps the horses in the walkout "basement" (one side of the barn is into a hill - commonly done in the old days when they did not have tractors with loaders). Unfortunately, he does have the pack rat gene and so it is hard to walk through his barn.

My barn has two 9' garage doors on the front and one in the back so you can drive through one side (which i can not do because of all the crap so I just put a pallet rack inside of the rear door for some of my PT implements - open the door and grab them). It was originally planned for two cars but that only lasted for the first year!

Crazy as it sounds, I would seriously consider a single story 40 x 60 if doing it again. But then today's materials costs would probably quickly make that idea not so seriously considered.

Ken
 
   / Garage for Power Trac and Shop #36  
FOURTEEN said:
My walls are steel, inside and outside, and roof and ceiling too.
What was the cost benefit of using steel internal walls and ceiling vs. sheetrock?

I wish you would quit posting pictures of your shop, because I only have so much drool in the system. I seem to remember a great thread by you on preparing the area for you pole barn and laying in the gravel drive, but I couldn't find it.

These pictures kill me, because I just sold my property, moved, and am now living in an apartment with a one car garage (stuffed full of woodworking machinery). My general feeling of the real estate market right now is that there is no way I want to buy into it at today's prices in this area (DC). This means my PT422 is stuck in a storage unit. This is a great place to live for now, since I walk across the street to go to work and I can see my kids for breakfast, lunch, and dinner... which is a very important after changing from a job where I worked 18 hour days 7 days a week for several years. There is a huge crowd of 5yo's for my 5yo to play with on the payground right outside my door. It just is putting serious crimp on my tool collecting hobby.
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   / Garage for Power Trac and Shop #37  
Tim_in_CT said:
What was the cost benefit of using steel internal walls and ceiling vs. sheetrock?

I wish you would quit posting pictures of your shop, because I only have so much drool in the system. I seem to remember a great thread by you on preparing the area for you pole barn and laying in the gravel drive, but I couldn't find it.

These pictures kill me, because I just sold my property, moved, and am now living in an apartment with a one car garage (stuffed full of woodworking machinery). My general feeling of the real estate market right now is that there is no way I want to buy into it at today's prices in this area (DC). This means my PT422 is stuck in a storage unit. This is a great place to live for now, since I walk across the street to go to work and I can see my kids for breakfast, lunch, and dinner... which is a very important after changing from a job where I worked 18 hour days 7 days a week for several years. There is a huge crowd of 5yo's for my 5yo to play with on the payground right outside my door. It just is putting serious crimp on my tool collecting hobby.
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Hey, at least you have the family priorites right! My kids go to school close by and my wife works two blocks away from me. We could get higher paying jobs, but choose to do what we do to get the family time in. That is most important, although, my mom used to tell me, "Money isn't everything, but is sure helps." Finding the balance is the hard part.:)
 
   / Garage for Power Trac and Shop #38  
" What was the cost benefit of using steel internal walls and ceiling vs. sheetrock?"

Don't know! The price was a package deal, everything but the electrical and the site prep. I wouldn't even consider sheetrock in a shop. The steel is so much stronger, water damage proof, more physical damage resistant, fireproof, and fully finished.
My walls are steel sheeting outside, 2 X 4s horizontally every 2', 6 X 6 posts every 8', R19 insulation, 2 X 4s horizontally every 2', poly vapor barrier, and steel sheeting inside!
My ceiling is steel sheeting roof, 2 X 4s horizontally every 2', roof trusses, ceiling trusses, R38 insulation, poly vapor barrier, and steel sheeting inside!



"I wish you would quit posting pictures of your shop, because I only have so much drool in the system."

Sorry!! I have a bucket in my driveway for just that problem!! (Even the county building inspector said: "I've been an inspector in this county for 17 years, and this is the nicest outbuilding I've seen yet!!")
 

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   / Garage for Power Trac and Shop #40  
Here is a link to a shop that is completely out of control. Click on the "new workshop" link:

Highland House

You gotta check it out just to look at his museum-quality yuppie "workbench" (I could see some silicon valley types using it is a desk in an executive office). This reminds me of when I bought a nice maple butcher-block style workbench top from grizzly. It was so beautiful that I had to purposely whack it with a hammer to make the first dent to get rid of the "new car" paranoa. Fine furnature belongs in the house; workbenches should be heavily constructed and roughly finished so you won't be afraid to use them. It cracks me up on the woodworking forum when people craft these beautiful work neches and spend hours and hours giving them the perfect finish.

He does have some clever ideas (although I would have embedded the dust collection piping in the floor using 6" PVC before he poured the concrete slab). The part of real interest is how he wired it. This is a pretty nifty concept (2 110V 15amp + 1 220V 20 amp + 1 220V 30 amp outlet, spaced evenly all around the shop). I personally would have just put 30 amp plugs on all my tools, and would have put a 110V 20 amp outlet instead of the 220 V 20 amp... it is good to have separate circuits right next to each other so machines you use simultaneously won't overload the circuit. All my 220V machines have 30amp twistlock plugs.

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