Rotary Cutter Generic question on 7-8 ft. rotary cutters

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froggy

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This is a generic question regarding rotary cutters. I generally see that most tractor owners when they move up in rotary cutter size from six footers tend to go with eight foot mowers rather than seven footers. Was wondering what the merits of the eight footer over the seven footer are? There has to be more than the eight footer is a multi-spindle and the seven footer is not. Wear and tear on the tractor? What else am I missing?
 
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Not sure if you're missing anything...When I bought the 60HP tractor, I bought the heaviest 7ft single spindle I could find. That was 5 or 6 years ago. It cuts almost like a finish mower in shorter grass and will destroy a 3" sappling so fast you hardly realize you ran over it...it weighs in vicinity of 1200-1350lbs. Has twin tailwheels. Set of blades (2) is about $80. I personnally don't need anything any larger. BobG in VA
 
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Don't dismiss the multi-spindle effect. It helps empty the deck and keeps the deck length down. I personally like the extra width because I run it with a high offset. That lets me get under evergreen tree branches and closer to fences and fence corners. Blades are smaller and lighter, too.
 
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Multi spindle is shorter and that makes it lighter. Cost of steel etc, that probably makes it cost competitive with the 7' single spindle. (I haven't looked in a LONG while....)
 
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At 540 PTO rpm, it seems that the single spindle 7' cutter would have much higher blade tip speed than the 8' cutter with two blades. The heavier blades and higher tip speed seems to make the 7' cutter preferred for brush and small tree applications.

The dual spindle 8' cutter would probably also have dual tailwheels and make a better cutter for grass/weeds and very small brush along with not extending back as far behind the tractor.

. . . just my random thoughts.
 
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A friend and neighbor had a 7" single spindle Howse with two tail wheels, until his son destroyed one of the tail wheels. Fortunately, they were on a bar so they could be adjusted side to side, so he just moved the one remaining wheel to the center. And I know why he had a 7' one; he found a bargain on a used one.:) A couple of times he mentioned wishing it was about 10' wide instead of 7.:)
 
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At 540 PTO rpm, it seems that the single spindle 7' cutter would have much higher blade tip speed than the 8' cutter with two blades. The heavier blades and higher tip speed seems to make the 7' cutter preferred for brush and small tree applications.

The dual spindle 8' cutter would probably also have dual tailwheels and make a better cutter for grass/weeds and very small brush along with not extending back as far behind the tractor.

. . . just my random thoughts.


Not beating you up on the tip speed but when looking at finishing mowers looked very careful and found what seems to be true on tip speed is not always held.

Don't forget they may use different gear box ratios for the different cutter and the multi spindle has extra gearing on all I have seen. As to the size of the blades the may use different size stump jumper or blade mounts and still use the same size blade on different size cutters. All of this will vary from one brand to another and probably model to model with some brands.

Just pulled numbers from Bush Hog's web site and if any body knows cutters it is them (hey we call them rough cut Bush Hog for a reason):

On their 287 7 ft (single spindle) the tip speed is 14,514 fpm; on their 278 8 ft (multi spindle) the tip speed is 16,856. The specs on the blades are the same, 1/2" by 4" with no length given that I saw. Now guess the weight difference with both 3 pth the 7 ft weighs 27 pounds more. Not saying all metal thickness are the same nor the same height sides and such.

No idea on which would cut what the best. Never have used a multi spindle rough cut myself but they make some that will cut serious stuff on front end of logger skidders.
 
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I am (was...not sure) in the market for a 7 footer until I talked with a couple dealers and at length with one manufacturer directly. The biggest drawbacks of single spindle 7' shredders are its overall length (puts a lot of weight a long way from the back of the tractor), followed closely by the overall weight of most heavier units and fiinally blade length. Considering the first two attributes, these shredders can pose safety problems for all but the sturdiest tractors with plenty of counterbalance weight up front. The main drawback of 7 & 8 foot multi-spindle units is the added cost, generally at least $1000 more for a comparable duty unit. However, these shredders tend to be stubbier thus making them inherently safer by putting weight up closer to the tractor.
 
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Just pulled numbers from Bush Hog's web site and if any body knows cutters it is them (hey we call them rough cut Bush Hog for a reason):

On their 287 7 ft (single spindle) the tip speed is 14,514 fpm; on their 278 8 ft (multi spindle) the tip speed is 16,856. The specs on the blades are the same, 1/2" by 4" with no length given that I saw. Now guess the weight difference with both 3 pth the 7 ft weighs 27 pounds more. Not saying all metal thickness are the same nor the same height sides and such.

Hey! Nobody's beating up anybody.:) You are just pointing out very good info from an iconic brand of rotary cutters.

It seems you are right about blade tip speed for the more expensive BH models. However, the Squealer models tend to follow exactly what I stated with the higher tip speeds in the single spindle models vs the dual spindle model (approx 14 kfps vs 11 kfps). So even within BH's line of cutters, it would be wise to look at the specs and know what you are going to get. Certainly on the higher end cutters, there seems to be more consistency.

I think BH did not spec the blade length because they expect you to know that a larger diameter single spindle cutter has a longer blade. Since stump jumpers are there to protect the gearbox, I'd bet their size remains constant in a single model and spindle arrangement no matter what the blade length.

All this says is that all rotary cutters are NOT created equal. As a buyer of any premium brand and configuration, I would want to check to make sure the cutter I was buying was best for all my needs. Heck, I might even find an excuse to buy two cutters.:D
 
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If you have a lot of grass, every foot counts. On 10 acres, an extra foot can probably save you almost 2 hours of cutting time. That last hour or 2 is always the worst part of mowing.
 
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Just a thought, but for more or less the same price (~1700$) why not grab a 73" Caroni Flail from Agrisupply. They're way shorter (therefore easier to maneuver), as tough (if not tougher), and safer (is safer a word??).

You're fairly close to the stores in the SE there, and their shipping's not too bad.

JMO.

-J.
 
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jinman, I only looked at the tip speed on the models I quoted. Makes sense the lighter cutter has lower tip speed but did surprise me. So now you must check each model of each size for all brands you are looking at. WOW


jgrreed, not sure the flail mower would handle as large as stuff as your rough cut rotary but 73 inches and 7 feet is about 11 inches different so you really then need to compare to a 6 foot cutter. Will agree they are safer. Did not have time to look but one of the models that Agri Supply sells is a rough cut model and think you are correct it is the 73 inch model. It has less cutters on it.
 
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jgrreed, not sure the flail mower would handle as large as stuff as your rough cut rotary but 73 inches and 7 feet is about 11 inches different so you really then need to compare to a 6 foot cutter. Will agree they are safer. Did not have time to look but one of the models that Agri Supply sells is a rough cut model and think you are correct it is the 73 inch model. It has less cutters on it.

Ya, it is a rough cut model with half as many hammers (56 vs. 112 I think). I'm told that it'll still do a pretty nice job on the nice grass, especially if I get some 'spoon' style hammers.

I actually just got my Caroni yesterday, and am yet to try it. Maybe tonight?? There's no snow here yet, so I'll maybe take it for a whirl.

I've used my father in law's bush hog and just hate the big swing it does when you turn.

-Jer.
 
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Ya, it is a rough cut model with half as many hammers (56 vs. 112 I think). I'm told that it'll still do a pretty nice job on the nice grass, especially if I get some 'spoon' style hammers.

I actually just got my Caroni yesterday, and am yet to try it. Maybe tonight?? There's no snow here yet, so I'll maybe take it for a whirl.

I've used my father in law's bush hog and just hate the big swing it does when you turn.

-Jer.

Be sure you raise the flail cutter before you turn. To get the roller off the ground.
 
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I own and operate a commercial mowing business. (We do large acreage tracts and highway right-of-way mowing) I use a mix of 15' batwings and 6'/7' single spindle mounted mowers. So I've got a little experience with them and know a few of the subtle differences.

First off, forget about an "across the board" answer as to the differences between 6', 7', and 8' mowers. They vary considerably from brand to brand, and even from model to model with-in those brands. Blade tip speeds, deck configurations, weights, ect, are not consistant from size to size, or brand to brand. And from experience, blade tip speeds ARE NOT the spec that makes or breaks the performance of any given mower. Blade tip speed is a far over-rated comparator. I've owned several with very high blade speeds that didn't do such a great job. Likewise, I've owned mowers with blade speeds that were rated slower than many, yet performed very well. Don't bet the ranch based strictly on blade tip speed numbers. Also, who's to say what speed is "enough" to do a good job? Is more than enough better? Or does it make ANY difference?

From what I've witnessed over the years, deck design probably has MORE effect on a mowers ability to do a good job than blade speed. In particular, the configuration of the rear of the deck. A mower with the ability to allow cut material to clear from under the mower as it moves along will result in better "quality of cut" in conditions other than simply "mowing a lawn". Clipping tops of relatively short grass is about the only time where blade speed is the ONLY real consideration. Be that the case, you're probably wanting a finish mower in the first place.

The biggest single consideration with deck size is usually weight..... Weight in regards to BALANCE of the tractor when the tractor is carrying that weight. (even when not entirely lifted off the ground) Look at the difference between a 5' and a 6' mower. Then look at the difference between a 6' and a 7'er. No comparison. With the extra foot of width comes an extra foot of LENGTH. I've seen several tractors that toyed with a 6' mower and were overwhelmed with a 7'er. They handled the mower just fine from a horsepower perspective. But they required way too much front ballast to handle the weight in a safe manner.

Now...Take that same tractor that had issues with a 7' single spindle mower and put a HEAVIER (but SHORTER) 8' double spindle mower on it. In MANY (but not ALL) cases, that same tractor will handle the shorter deck with ease.

For comparison, I have an extreme duty 6' mower that weighs in at well over 2100 lb. I have a medium duty 7'er that scales under 1500lbs. The 6'er FEELS MUCH lighter hanging on the 3-point hitch of a couple tractors I frequently use them on. It's all about the balance.

Back to blade speeds.... Most brands, especially the "premium brands", will use different gear boxes specifically designed for the mower they're used on. The gear ratios will be engineered specifically to give blade speed and horsepower requirements to fit the mower at hand. That blade speed is often matched to deck design, as well as the probable eventual use of that mower. (ie a mower designed to cut 4" material probably won't end up being used to cut a lawn, or a light duty "economy" mower shouldn't be used to clear a power line right-of-way)

The engineering that goes into a quality mower is why they cost more and perform better in adverse conditions. They're designed and built to do a job, where many lower priced mowers are products of what I like to call "accidental engineering". They MAY happen to work well at a given chore, or they may not.... Who knows?

Back to the original question; Due to length and balance of weight (distance from rear of tractor to rear tip of mower) an 8' double spindle mower will GENERALLY balance better than a 7' single spindle mower. That reduces the SIZE requirements of the tractor. In many cases, size and HP are relative. The benefit of a shorter mower is less of a power issue and more of a weight handling issue.

Finally, I'm NOT a fan of 7' single spindle mowers. Due to width X length, they tend to scalp FAR WORSE than 6' singles or 8' doubles. Not a issue unless you mow close to the ground, but mow shorter than 3" or so, and you'll be cutting as much dirt as you will grass/weeds if/when mowing on an irregular surface.

JMHO, and worth AT LEAST what you paid for it!
 
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you'll be cutting as much dirt as you will grass/weeds if/when mowing on an irregular surface.


If I didn't do that, the ground would never get level!

jb
 
   / Generic question on 7-8 ft. rotary cutters #18  
Farmwithjunk, nice post and spot on w/ my much more limited experience.
 
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Thanks for all the information. That was exactly the type of information what I was looking to get.

froggy
 
 

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