JDgreen227
Super Member
My 420 FEL appears the same as your does but I know mine was brand new when delivered to me.
Green Bucket Anxiety...
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yellowsocks93
Veteran Member
Yeah, they painted the older loaders as one complete part hoses and all. There appears to be no primer under the paint on mine when I removed the 4 metal hyd. lines from one arm to the other. It's down to bare metal. The paint is coming off my hydraulic hoses and peels right off by hand. All the new loaders I see have been painted prior to putting the hydraulic lines on. It makes the setup look a little cleaner like the Kubota loaders.
bigpete
Veteran Member
My 210 loader came with an excellent paint job. There were no paint flaws even around the weld beads, cut-outs, and inside the channels. The paint job on the front and inside of the bucket lasted until the end of the first photo shoot.
Yellowsocks wrote:
<<<It's down to bare metal. It makes the
setup look a little cleaner like the Kubota loaders>>>>.
True, but my concern would be rust. I know I started this as
a joke about a bucket too nice to use, but I rarely look twice
as rust in/on a bucket as the next time I use it, the rust
is gone. (I like to add iron oxide to my soil...)
It's hard enough to keep the rest of the tractor looking
nice without some of it coming unpainted from the get-go.
And no, I don't wax my loader arms, but I don't like looking
at rust on them either.
It's normal to see assemblies containing multiple steel or
cast parts bolted together first and then painted together.
I think it is unusual to paint a loader this way. I've only
seen this at the used equipment auction where everything
gets the 30 minute steam clean and 10 minute paint job.
These tractors are too expensive to start out with a spray
everything paint job. The welding on the loader looks like
someone was very meticulous in the finish product.
The loaders I believe are made in the USA or Canada. I'll
be the workers didn't decide to paint them like that.
Usually that type of decision comes from a bean counter or
"time efficiency expert" or "systems analyst."
Analyzing your procedures with the intent of increasing pro
ductivity is great, but if you aren't looking at the end
product what's the point. Unfortunately that is the situation many times.
Looking at big companies it is really a mind twister to
make sense of their actions. They do a quicky paint job on
a visible item, yet start putting on that 23% bigger hydraulic
pump with no mention off it in their advertising!
del
<<<It's down to bare metal. It makes the
setup look a little cleaner like the Kubota loaders>>>>.
True, but my concern would be rust. I know I started this as
a joke about a bucket too nice to use, but I rarely look twice
as rust in/on a bucket as the next time I use it, the rust
is gone. (I like to add iron oxide to my soil...)
It's hard enough to keep the rest of the tractor looking
nice without some of it coming unpainted from the get-go.
And no, I don't wax my loader arms, but I don't like looking
at rust on them either.
It's normal to see assemblies containing multiple steel or
cast parts bolted together first and then painted together.
I think it is unusual to paint a loader this way. I've only
seen this at the used equipment auction where everything
gets the 30 minute steam clean and 10 minute paint job.
These tractors are too expensive to start out with a spray
everything paint job. The welding on the loader looks like
someone was very meticulous in the finish product.
The loaders I believe are made in the USA or Canada. I'll
be the workers didn't decide to paint them like that.
Usually that type of decision comes from a bean counter or
"time efficiency expert" or "systems analyst."
Analyzing your procedures with the intent of increasing pro
ductivity is great, but if you aren't looking at the end
product what's the point. Unfortunately that is the situation many times.
Looking at big companies it is really a mind twister to
make sense of their actions. They do a quicky paint job on
a visible item, yet start putting on that 23% bigger hydraulic
pump with no mention off it in their advertising!
del
yellowsocks93
Veteran Member
I wish my hoses and that were not painted since now I have to do touch up on a loader that has about and hour or two of use on it(I don't use my loader that much). I can do a good job with spray paint but I feel JD as a whole does a much worse job painting than they used to. Same with people at my dealership. Oh, the loaders are designed and built in Canada.
KevPH
New member
Hi, Anybody ever use a spray-on bed liner inside your loader bucket? Another option could be the bolt-in style of bed liner used by gravel/sand dump box haulers. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
JDgreen227
Super Member
My last 3 pickups were fitted with a plastic bed liner when they were new and I kind of wished I could get a liner for my loader bucket. Have no experience with the spray in bed liners, those could be used for a bucket interior but I don't know how durable the material is.
bigpete
Veteran Member
An interesting thought on the spray-in bedliner. I have no experience with them either but have been told that the problem with spray-ins is that, if the material is breached, moisture and dirt can get between the steel and the liner and begin to break down the metal and the rest of the bond with the liner.
I just can't bring myself to be concerned wih loosing paint on the working surfaces of implements and tools. The hood and fenders...well, that's a different story. Even then, it's a tractor, not a car. Having grown up working on ag farms and later on state and private tree farms, we always thought a tool that still had its paint on it afer a month was a waste of money. Everthing else from a spade to dozer blade that would be exposed to the elements got cleaned and wiped wih an oily rag through the season, then washed and quickly coated with cheap paint when it was put up for the year. That paint rarely lasted a month after the next season started.
At my level of use with my loader, I can't imagine ever having a bucket deteriorate from rust due to my non-commercial use. I also store it in a shed. As was suggested, buy a can of paint every fall; wash it, wire brush it if its bad, then spray a quick coat on the bare metal.
I just can't bring myself to be concerned wih loosing paint on the working surfaces of implements and tools. The hood and fenders...well, that's a different story. Even then, it's a tractor, not a car. Having grown up working on ag farms and later on state and private tree farms, we always thought a tool that still had its paint on it afer a month was a waste of money. Everthing else from a spade to dozer blade that would be exposed to the elements got cleaned and wiped wih an oily rag through the season, then washed and quickly coated with cheap paint when it was put up for the year. That paint rarely lasted a month after the next season started.
At my level of use with my loader, I can't imagine ever having a bucket deteriorate from rust due to my non-commercial use. I also store it in a shed. As was suggested, buy a can of paint every fall; wash it, wire brush it if its bad, then spray a quick coat on the bare metal.
Old_Hickory
Platinum Member
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( wished I could get a liner for my loader bucket )</font>
Now come on,thats a little over the top.That would be about as practical as painting a shovel. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Now come on,thats a little over the top.That would be about as practical as painting a shovel. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
It would be easier to just buy an extra bucket and never use it. When done using the tractor, put on the shiny new "show" bucket.
Same thing as my pickup truck. As soon as I am done building the house and yard, I plan to get a new truck and then never use it to haul anything ever again.
- Rick
Same thing as my pickup truck. As soon as I am done building the house and yard, I plan to get a new truck and then never use it to haul anything ever again.
- Rick
JDgreen227
Super Member
Actually, the reason I would like a liner for my bucket is because most of the soil on my property is pure CLAY and after I scoop it up it sticks like glue and is difficult to dump.
Me paint a shovel, nope, the shovel is what I use to get the stuff out of the bucket !!! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Me paint a shovel, nope, the shovel is what I use to get the stuff out of the bucket !!! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
The last time I dealt with clay with my backhoe I sprayed
something I've sprayed on the underside of my mower, I don't
don't remember the brand name but I think it was some kind
of cooking oil.
I have some spots with clay that you dig in once, then either
go rinse the bucket out or chip it out later. Hardly is workable
as after dumping the junk keeps building up in the bucket. The
spray seemed to help, but I don't know if it would last for
multiple days.
Yeah, I could get another bucket, just like the metal garbage
cans we had for "inspection" in bootcamp!
Actually a "nice" looking bucket is one that completely shiny
inside with NO paint. Once ALL the paint is off the inside
it just reminds me of all the work I've done with the tractor.
You get a little surface rust if parked inside but no buildup
like if it was left outside for weeks in the rain.
I hope I made it clear starting this post I WAS JOKING...
I've just never seen a bucket painted with a finish that is
as shiny as fenders on new trucks.
You can certainly beat up a bucket but rust damage? You'll
probably lose about 1 millionth of a percent of weight each
month.
dig on...
del
something I've sprayed on the underside of my mower, I don't
don't remember the brand name but I think it was some kind
of cooking oil.
I have some spots with clay that you dig in once, then either
go rinse the bucket out or chip it out later. Hardly is workable
as after dumping the junk keeps building up in the bucket. The
spray seemed to help, but I don't know if it would last for
multiple days.
Yeah, I could get another bucket, just like the metal garbage
cans we had for "inspection" in bootcamp!
Actually a "nice" looking bucket is one that completely shiny
inside with NO paint. Once ALL the paint is off the inside
it just reminds me of all the work I've done with the tractor.
You get a little surface rust if parked inside but no buildup
like if it was left outside for weeks in the rain.
I hope I made it clear starting this post I WAS JOKING...
I've just never seen a bucket painted with a finish that is
as shiny as fenders on new trucks.
You can certainly beat up a bucket but rust damage? You'll
probably lose about 1 millionth of a percent of weight each
month.
dig on...
del
Old_Hickory
Platinum Member
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( <font color="red"> It would be easier to just buy an extra bucket and never use it. When done using the tractor, put on the shiny new "show" bucket.
</font> )</font>
That would be easier .
</font> )</font>
That would be easier .
Old_Hickory
Platinum Member
How would you keep your liner in the bucket ?? If it was a spray on coating I would think the clay would stick just as bad if not more.I guess I never worried about if my bucket had paint in it or a little clay sticking on it. Then again my tractor is pretty muddy for the most part.Heck my shoes are muddy,I live in the mud.
Egon
Epic Contributor
Heck; lets go for the ultimate. Two sets of equipment. One for polishing and show and one for working. That way there's no time lost changing the bucket.
Egon
Egon
jyoutz
Super Star Member
Then what would you do with the truck?
JDgreen227
Super Member
IMO, the ultimate would be THREE sets of equipment, one brand new and shiny for show, one used and dirty for work, and the last one beaters, worn, rusted, filthy, needing lots of repairs, to lend to those people who want to borrow your stuff.
JDgreen227
Super Member
If I had a poly liner, I am sure a thin layer of clay inside the bucket would attach the liner just fine. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Egon
Epic Contributor
Never thought of the borrower beater.
Egon
Egon
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