Grinding Sound !! - Dealer Says NORMAL

   / Grinding Sound !! - Dealer Says NORMAL #91  
Sounds very plausable. Removed pump and repalced lots of orings. Sounds like one o fthem orings might have had a leak.. and it might have been a suction side one... thus entraining air.. thus the noise you heard.

I've seen cavitating pumps from suction side leaks dozens of times.

soundguy
 
   / Grinding Sound !! - Dealer Says NORMAL #92  
Hope it works out well for you. It sure is frustrating when stuff like this happens, but it is nice when someone else has too fix it :)

All the stuff I buy (well used) I get the joys of sorting through it myself.

Sounds like the dealer is doing you right all in all. I know you would like it fixed better, faster and quicker (which is reasonable) but I bet if you sat at the dealers one day and watched what folks come in and tell them is wrong with their stuff, and what they need to do, you would understand them more.

I hang out sometimes at my dealers shop, bring coffee and donuts :) to learn and sometimes, I just want to tell folks they are stupid.. After dealing with those guys all day, I can see what my dealer is gunshy when I first walk in with a problem.

Anyway, hope like heck that they got it whipped, intermittent problems are sure a bear on everyone to troubleshoot.
 
   / Grinding Sound !! - Dealer Says NORMAL #93  
Wonderful!! I wish you many happy years with your tractor.
 
   / Grinding Sound !! - Dealer Says NORMAL #94  
Quote from a couple pages back:
In the meantime, I sent a certified, return-receipt-requested, letter including my issues log, to the home office. I requested a loaner tractor on all future warranty visits to the dealer. I requested that if the tractor is repaired, I want an unlimited extended warranty on the hydraulic/HST system, due to unknown damage that the noise making defect may have caused, and could possibly cause future problems after warranty expiration. If that is unacceptable to them, I've asked for a new replacement tractor, and if that is unacceptable, I've asked for a full refund.


WOW---I am not sure that dealer or manufacture will ever make you happy now that you have had a problem. If they fix the existing problem they have done thier job---period, the warr ends when the warr. ends thats it. If you read the warr. I bet new replacement tractor is not in there---nor is the refund option---the obligation is to fix the problem and move on.
 
   / Grinding Sound !! - Dealer Says NORMAL #95  
Sounds like a good outcome to me. I hope you can put away that video camera for good...unless you are filming kids or something other than the tractor. :)
 
   / Grinding Sound !! - Dealer Says NORMAL
  • Thread Starter
#96  
Jim, I hope to be able to stop carrying around a video camera when on the tractor. What a pain!

Without it, I would never have been able to convince anyone of a problem, and they'd continue to think I was one of the stupid ones that come in and causes so much trouble...But you know, after what I've been through, I'm somewhat sympathetic to those people, more so now than I was before. I know how it feels to have a someone you just handed a ton of money to, look at you like they don't believe you, and therefore it's not important to them, and they're not willing to make the extra effort to help you figure it out. That is a sad state of affairs in my book, and it doesn't bode well if that attitude is pervasive, and from my view point, it is. If you take care of the customer, you may lose some money on occasion, but the positive results from increased business due to word-of-mouth advertising, related to excellent customer treatment, would make up for minor losses.

As for the warranty issue, I'm still going to ask for an extension, at least for the time they had it in their shop, which is about 1.5 months of the time since I got it mid last year. Beyond that, I really believe I should have some sort of protection against hydraulic system failure that may have been caused by this cavitation or whatever it was. No one knows the damage it may have caused. It appears to me that I should be able to make the case that a failure in the future might be related. I hope that does not happen, but it very well could be legitimately related, if there is a failure. If nothing can be done to extend the warranty, I'd probably be smart to be looking at a different brand. But, that's not what I want to do.

ACS...As for the dealer making me happy, there are two things I'd like to have at a minimum: the warranty issues handled, somewhat as stated above, and to have the owner of the dealership say he's sorry for the problems I've had. But since he's never thanked me for buying it, I don't expect to hear anything from him. I only want what I'm paying for, and it sure as heck isn't a tractor that makes embarrassing noises like mine did. I felt like a fool when people heard it and said, "what the **** was that? and what are you doing about it?" If anyone knows someone that would accept it, tell them to make me an offer, I'd be happy to let them take it off my hands. They could deal with the future uncertainties of very expensive repairs. The tractor is brand new in my book, less than 50 hours, FEL, and brush bar. It can be had.

Am I bitter? Yes, to some extent, but more tired than bitter. To have to chase this thing down like I have, without proactive actions from the reps I've dealt with, is beyond frustrating. A simple change in attitude would have helped tremendously. From being told to "call me and ask if it makes noises tomorrow" instead of the dealer rep making the effort to call me to let me know it wasn't making noises, is a prime example of how I was treated. This is poor customer service, in my opinion. I know they're not too busy to have someone in the office call me. I've spent quite a bit of time over there, more than I care to. They sure as heck didn't have any problem making time to cash my checks!

Thanks to all that have posted helpful info. I wanted a NH, I got a NH, and I hope to keep it under my shelter beyond my days. But I won't drink the blue koolaid. I will support American companies as long as they're still around.

Sorry this thread has drug on so long. I sincerely hope it all comes out to some semblance of fairness and the tractor operates and makes all the expected noises, and none of the unexpected ones. Some may say I 'm unreasonable. Some may say I'm too patient. It falls somewhere between. Heck, I didn't complain about my turn signal going berserk when it got wet, until I saw the other thread. I just try to not get it wet anymore. I'm not that hard to please.

Does anyone know the proper type of glue to place on the foam noise / dust dam that is supposed to stick to the underside of the hood? Mine is falling down. See, there is a lot more I could B&M about, but I generally grin and bear the little stuff. When the big stuff becomes unbearable, that is when the nitpicking begins. That is the nature of the warranty beast. People don't return purchases for warranty issues and have only one thing repaired. One thing-gone-wrong (TGW) spawns many TsGW. That's why perfection has to be the goal.

I also would like to know the type of rear facing work light most people recommend, but can ask that on another thread if that's the protocol.
 
   / Grinding Sound !! - Dealer Says NORMAL #97  
MoyockHeel said:
Does anyone know the proper type of glue to place on the foam noise / dust dam that is supposed to stick to the underside of the hood? Mine is falling down.

I would get the surfaces clean and then use superglue. I had a bed cover on my pickup for about 8 years. It had a rubber seal liner that would come loose from time-to-time. When I asked the dealer where I bought it, he said to use superglue. Sure enough, it worked very well. I did clean the surfaces first with alcohol to get rid of any oils, but the superglue works so well, I don't think you have to do a perfect job of cleaning.
 
   / Grinding Sound !! - Dealer Says NORMAL #98  
Does anyone know the proper type of glue to place on the foam noise / dust dam that is supposed to stick to the underside of the hood? ....

I also would like to know the type of rear facing work light most people recommend, but can ask that on another thread if that's the protocol.

For the foam, I would try a spray adhesive call Super77 from 3M. Supposed to be good stuff. I bought a can to fix the hard tonneau cover on my truck upon recommendation by Pace Edwards (the maker of the cover) and before I had a chance to spray it the cover to glue it back to the aluminum slide the cover was damaged beyond repair. Ended finding a used one with a brand new "extra" cover in the paper for $200. I went that route as the cover was originally almost $600.

As far as rear work light, I picked a round one up for around $12 at Wally World for my little TC-24. It lights up the back just fine. I've thought about adding a second one and moving it to the top of the ROPS/canoopy but for now it is mounted toward the bottom of the ROPS and for 99% of the time that is fine. Facing forward I have a couple of 4x6 purchased from TSC mounted to the underside of the canopy.
 
   / Grinding Sound !! - Dealer Says NORMAL #99  
Good outcome.
Bob
 
   / Grinding Sound !! - Dealer Says NORMAL
  • Thread Starter
#100  
I just moved some firewood around, still no abnormal noises!! I believe the hydraulic pump is not making as much noise as previously, even in the normal mode.

I'll try the super glue and cleaning method. I have some of that and can clean off the previous glue's residue. It simply didn't hold well at all.

I assume the rear facing work light is operated by a switch that is mounted directly on the light, and it's hot wired to an open spot on the fuse panel. Something like that would be perfect for me. I'll look around. Thanks.
 

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