Guys like this are what gives diesel a bad name

[dodge man]

I’ll throw another thought out. Drivers being to courteous of bike riders. Your riding your bike, the driver of the car clearly has the right of way, as the bike rider you want the car to go, but they stop and wave you on. In the mean time cars behind them stop and get hung up.

 

[dodge man]

BTW, more useless info, a large group of bike riders is called a Peloton. Like the fancy stationary bike sold on TV. I saw they kept using the word over and over during the olympics and looked it up, it’s specifically the lead group of bike. I don’t think me and the wife qualify as a Peloton even though ima big guy.

 

[kenmbz]

In most states bikes can't ride on sidewalks, so we are forced into roads.
Many people use bikes to go to work, shop etc.

There are limits to road use marked on larger routes like route 1, 1A and any highway.

Sometimes there is no other route but a main drag.

Bicycles can be hit on back roads just as easy as main roads, since many smaller roads do not have shoulders, like the road I live on.

We have bikes here all the time, it's part of where we live. If they ride 3-4 abreast, we let them know, nicely, that that is not the best way to make friends.

We have people out walking, with their dogs, kids, etc.. We slow down and move over too.

 

[deezler]

I’ll throw another thought out. Drivers being to courteous of bike riders. Your riding your bike, the driver of the car clearly has the right of way, as the bike rider you want the car to go, but they stop and wave you on. In the mean time cars behind them stop and get hung up.

Frankly anyone driving a car who has the right of way, but voluntarily gives it up even when there are people behind them waiting, should have their license revoked. These are the most basic rules of the road to keep us safe and orderly.

Kinda ties into the other thread about roundabouts. If you stop in the middle of a roundabout to let someone else in... automatic license suspension! Just my

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Kids that age have no common sense, we didn't at that age either. .

Some of us did. I wouldn’t even have thought of doing something like that. Kids do as they’re taught. My butt would have been blistered if I had rolled coal on someone. Sorry excuse.

 

[cjoffutt]

Kids that age have no common sense, we didn't at that age either. Anyone else grow up in the "muscle car" era, where it was cool to put shackles in the rear springs so the back end was jacked way up, wide tires on the back, skinny tires on the front and cherry bomb mufflers? Looked stupid, was stupid. Made the cars of that era handle even worse than they already did to begin with.
Then again, when I was a teen most teens didn't have their own car nor did Mommy & Daddy take us to school...we walked (20 miles thru a snowstorm) if you lived in town or (gasp!) took the bus.

Ah, yes, the infamous 'we walked 20 miles through a snow storm up hill both ways while barefoot' speech.

Totally makes sense when both city and rural schools have had buses running routes for how many decades? Or that to walk the 20 miles would take 5+ hours, even more considering it was uphill and you'd surely be slipping and sliding in the snow with no shoes on.

But on a serious note, yes, definitely know about the muscle car era. Seen the pics and heard the stories from my parents numerous times. And those giant yellow things my kids ride 99% of the time work great. However, the handful of times a year when they have Dr appts, or we have places to go and not wanting to wait an hour after school gets out to get going, it's way easier to drive the 10 minutes to the school and pick them up.

 

[cjoffutt]

Indeed. Pretty wild to think that you can just make some dumb videos of doing burnouts on banana peels in your daily driver duramax, and build that into a multi million dollar video channel within a couple years. I'm eager to see what MonsterMax 2 gets into eventually.

That it is. His early vids were just straight off the phone camera at times, lol. The latest ones are really nicely edited. Props to him for persisting with it and making his channel what it is.

MM2 is...idk. Pretty awesome, but completely and utterly pointless at the same time? At least MM1 he could take on the road (even though it took up the entire thing). MM2 is a giant monster only suited for vast open areas. To me would be more boring and PITA than MM1.

 

[mcfarmall]

When the government finally outlaws the diesel engine, the motorheads will be modifying their electric Priuses to shoot lightning bolts out the exhaust at the annoying, ride 4 abreast, spandex jelly-filled short & neon jersey wearing bikers.

 

[LD1]

Such a terrible and avoidable situation.

But no point in placing blame, or making judgments, or assumptions until the investigation is over.

So far, from what I have read there has been only ONE person claim the kid was trying to "roll" coal and it was from a rider.

So many of these trucks that have been modified.....all you have to do is tromp the pedal and it will blow black smoke. Maybe this is daddys "tuned" truck or maybe its his or maybe there was no black smoke at all... MAybe he was just trying to pass and do so quickly?

NO excuse for hitting the bikers, weather they were riding illegally or not...(unless they swerved into him). But its yet to be determined if the intent was to roll coal, be harassing, or if he was just trying to pass. And the fact that he stayed and is cooperating says a good bit about his character and his intent.

But in the general theme of this thread.....we do have alot of bike riders around here. And just like the title of this thread that one bad act can give a bad name to all....the same is true with the bikers. And yes, I despise the ones who act like they own the road.....and will make you follow them for miles at 15MPH and unable to pass. If I drove my car at 15mph Id for sure get a ticket for impeding traffic. How about we start ticketing these selfish stuck up prick riders. Several people have shared examples in this thread, so I wont share my countless ones. But riders like that....get everyone riding a bike a bad name.

 

[Spindifferent]

Waller police report says teen was blowing exhaust on cyclists, reaching for phone at time of crash

The teenage boy was accelerating ‘to intentionally blow black diesel smoke’ according...

www.houstonchronicle.com

 

[LD1]

Waller police report says teen was blowing exhaust on cyclists, reaching for phone at time of crash

The teenage boy was accelerating ‘to intentionally blow black diesel smoke’ according...

www.houstonchronicle.com

CAn you copy and past the text of the article?

All these darn news sites anymore that everyone links, I cant read half of them because they always want to to subscribe or pay

 

[Spindifferent]

CAn you copy and past the text of the article?

All these darn news sites anymore that everyone links, I cant read half of them because they always want to to subscribe or pay

Here's a .pdf file of the article.

 

[KennyG]

As a frequent bike rider, I'm always disturbed by the bike hate out there. I stay on relatively lightly used roads and try to be very aware of the conditions and most drivers are considerate. However, I have had people yell at me for not riding on the shoulder when the shoulder is narrow rock and brush. We have had a couple of very tragic accidents in the area, totally the drivers fault and there has been a push for more bike awareness. I have noticed that fewer people pass me with only inches to spare now. Of course, they don't slow down, they just run oncoming traffic off the road now. I guess adding 15 seconds to the trip just isn't acceptable.

 

[Jstpssng]

^^^^
Everybody thinks they’re the most important person on the road. I used to be a lot like that myself but now I don’t see the point

 

[Cougsfan]

In Kindergarten I learned personal responsibility. That means if you use something you contribute something.
Here in Washington State bicycle riders receive everything for free. We build trails and pave them for bicycles out of the state budget. We paint bicycle lane designators out of fees from vehicle registrations and gasoline taxes. We pave the road surfaces from fees derived from motor vehicles registrations and gasoline taxes. We provide safe places on sidewalks to secure bicycles out of tax money.
In Washington State I will give you your lane plus a large dose of safety and I ask nothing of a bicyclist in return but to obey the laws and stop at stop signs, etc. Do not pass on the right when traffic is stopped. You know, the laws, all of them not just the ones you want.
Now, get on your bikes here in Washington and enjoy what we vehicle owners and users have provided for you for free.

I live in Washington. I ride a bicycle. I prefer to ride on bike paths as it is much safer. These particular paths were built with private funding. I pay probably as much tax as you do. However, I am not so "me first" to think that my taxes should only be spent only on the exact things that I personally use. I don't play in children's play parks, but I don't think it is realistic or logical to come up with a tax system where only the end users are taxed to pay for the play parks. I'm sorry, but I really don't understand the logic behind what you are saying.

 

[dstig1]

Like many here I have seen both sides of this. I have biked some for fun but am not at all hardcore. I do have friends at work that bike quite seriously and are in great shape from it. I have seen "the peloton" that is obstructing traffic at times, and I have heard from my biking friends of the jerks that try to make life miserable for normal bikers just because they are bikers, even though they are following the laws. And I have seen the bikers that don't stop for stop signs so they don't lose momentum and the drivers who won't let them go when it is their turn since they are just bikes. If you are around long enough you will see it all...and I ain't that old...

It still comes down to the same basic thing: respect. Have some respect for others and all this goes away.

 

[Jstpssng]

It still comes down to the same basic thing: respect. Have some respect for others

Agreed.

 

[groundcover]

Bikes and automobiles on the same piece of real estate will always be problematic, same as automobiles and trains.
This woman was on the shoulder but the dirtbag driving the car apparently dozed off, hit her, flung her into a ditch and left her to be found nine hours later.

Search continues for driver in hit-and-run that killed retired police sergeant

Investigators are searching for a driver after a former Hudson police officer was killed in a hit-and-run crash, and they're asking the public to help them find the vehicle that was involved.

www.wmur.com

 

[Skeans1]

As a frequent bike rider, I'm always disturbed by the bike hate out there. I stay on relatively lightly used roads and try to be very aware of the conditions and most drivers are considerate. However, I have had people yell at me for not riding on the shoulder when the shoulder is narrow rock and brush. We have had a couple of very tragic accidents in the area, totally the drivers fault and there has been a push for more bike awareness. I have noticed that fewer people pass me with only inches to spare now. Of course, they don't slow down, they just run oncoming traffic off the road now. I guess adding 15 seconds to the trip just isn't acceptable.

This is the exact place in the PNW you’ll meet a log truck or a lowboy we’ve had a few close calls with roadies and honestly you shouldn’t be on the road you’re going to get hurt or worse yet hurt someone else.

 

[the old grind]

Some of us ride on winding roads in forested areas and some ride in wide open spaces. On my road a 'pack' is often a family using the whole road when no cars are visible for 1/2 mi or so in either direction. If I ride elsewhere with my Sister's club a 'pack' is several riders in single file, perhaps with another group ahead or behind them. Riding up beside someone gets looks and waves to stay in line. We're not all plowing the same fields or riding the same roads.

btw, Rearview mirror clipped to my hat brim works well. When I spot a car going my direction I stop on the shoulder turn to face it and do my best to make eye contact, ... often with someone staring at their phone. Kinda messes with your momentum when warming up for a workout.