HD Box Blade?

[scoutcub]

You need to look at commercial quality boxes. Pretty much forget about anything that does not weigh at least 1,000lbs. I would be looking at a box width of 72"-84" and hydraulic actuated scarifiers.

To be able to help get your grading just how you want, keep in mind a set of top and tilt hydraulics for your 3pt hitch.

Don't think I need the hydraulic scarifiers, but you've got me thinking about the topntilt......:drool::laughing:
But no listing for Yanmar on your website...

 

[scoutcub]

I'm with you Frank! I told my wife I want a good 7' or 8' box blade that weighs 1200 lbs or more.

I need to give her more specifics!

I've been looking at the Woods Gannon brand BB's but I've not made any decision.

What tractor did you get?

Be well,
David

Hey David!
I am distraught you have not been following my new :tractor:, new grapple, new snow weapon, etc. threads.....:shocked:

But I know you have been busy with finishing the new fence, and fiddling with your stump grinder, 3-pt, etc etc!!:laughing:

I've also heard/read the woods gannon HD blades are good....but these new ones might be a bit spendy. And good used ones will be hard to find, and probably get snatched up pretty quickly.....

I got a great deal on the new tractor, but it's going to cost me more down the road here......rimguard.....toothbar.....box blade....stump bucket.....forks.....maybe selling my brand new still in the crate 60" tiller for a 72" tiller....:smiley_aafz::laughing::laughing:

 

[scoutcub]

Thanks for the link, it is a great source of very good, detailed, and useful information. I have an old 66" Rhino box blade that I used with my Ford 4000 that I sold years ago and then put it behind my Kubota L2900. I bought a new Kubota MX5100, 4WD, HST, w/LA 844 loader that is 5,500lbs. + or - in August of 2011 and I want a larger, heavier, and possibly more functional box scraper. I am not willing to spend the $$ required for the hydraulically operated boxes, so I am looking for the best of the ones I discovered in the linked thread you provided. I have been looking at Bushog, Land Pride, and Woods/Gannon. I am now adding Midwest, Buhler, and Befco to the list. I have R4's on my Kubota as I am cleaning out some old ponds on the property and they are really good in the muck, but they don't provide the traction of R1s. I am debating about a 6' or 7' blade. I think all of the manufacturers are represented at the National Farm Machinery show next month and I will check them out there and probably make my decision after that. I also need a new rotary mower, and a good set of lift harrows. It could be an expensive show!

Dan - Don't think I'll be able to attend the show, but agree it would be lots of good info and get to see all the manufacturers at once. One stop shopping. I think several of us (myself for sure) wouldn't mind if you were able to give us the benefit of your findings if you do attend!
Seems like a good list to shop from. I did also purchase a 72" rotary mower with my new tractor, which Yanmar gets from Befco. Picture attached as per TBN rules. The one thing my dealer told me about Befco is their prices are very high, fortunately I got this new mower for a VERY reduced price....I'll tell you if you ask but am embarassed to say it now....:laughing:

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Don't think I need the hydraulic scarifiers, but you've got me thinking about the topntilt......:drool::laughing:
But no listing for Yanmar on your website...

I can build what you need. There is a form to fill out for side links that I do not have measurements for under "other". Fill out the appropriate form and submit. I can get you a correct price from there. For the top link, measure your OEM link collapsed and extended to it's maximum "working" length. (extended out to the point where there is a thread missing to indicate max safe extension)

For a ball park price you would be looking at $575 + shipping costs for a complete "TnT" kit. :thumbsup:

 

[KYDan]

Hey lots of good info here, I appreciate all the input! I'll give some more details of my "plight"....the tractor is around #4500 with loader.....loader can lift #2500, and 3-pt can lift #2800. I figure around #1000 lbs of rimguard for the rears? So a #1000 lb boxblade should be no issue. I was thinking at least #800 minimum.
Doing a little research, looks like "modern" makes a good quality heavy blade. And I called a local implement guy, he's got a new 72" but I forget the name. And he didn't know how much it weighs... But I'll still go check it out. There's a 72" woods on ebay, but I asked the seller he thinks it's only 505 lbs....he said he did a google search to find out....again.... If you sell implements, shouldn't you know what they weigh? :thumbsup:
So maybe it was their light or medium line.....
And I'm still debating on a 72 or 84".....Yanmar sells the 72" for this tractor. Wouldn't mind hearing opinions on 72 vs 84..... maybe a new thread??:laughing:

I was having the same debate, 72 v 84 and I am thinking of a compromise, there are some 78" boxes available. However, I am more concerned about traction pulling an 84" box. I have 44 PTO HP, which should be adequate, but traction with R4's on the tractor is another matter. Should be fun checking them out at the show!

 

[MtnViewRanch]

I was having the same debate, 72 v 84 and I am thinking of a compromise, there are some 78" boxes available. However, I am more concerned about traction pulling an 84" box. I have 44 PTO HP, which should be adequate, but traction with R4's on the tractor is another matter. Should be fun checking them out at the show!

There are a lot of variables to consider. As an example, I have a 1000lb Gannon roll-over that is 81" wide. There are times when my 12,000lb 75hp tractor will not pull it. Should I get lighter duty implements because there are times when my tractor won't handle it? There are 8' wide boxes out there that are called heavy duty and weigh less than 600lbs. My 66" wide Gannon roll-over that I use behind my 32hp tractor is about 700lbs and I have the same exact problem with it. There are conditions when it will stop the tractor. Should I have lighter duty boxes for both of my tractors?, NO, I just raise the box a little and go on or use Draft Control and not even worry about it. I can pretty much say that if I had lighter duty implements, most of them would be on the scrap pile.

But all of this is up to each individual, all any of us can do is suggest what has and has not worked for them or others that they know of.

 

[KYDan]

The only heavy duty box that I have been able to find on the internet that is a manual rollover or extendable scarifier box is a Bush Hog brand and the 78" extendable scarifier which is the one that most appeals to me at the moment is 800 + pounds and is an HD box. If for some reason when I take a look at them and decide to go with the rollover instead it is about 50 lbs. heavier. I am hoping to see them side-by-side and speak with a factory rep so I can make a better decision unless I can find a used one somewhere reasonably close. My tires are just shy of 6' width and I would prefer a little over that for the box. The rollover is only available in even foot increments. I also like the option of being able to have the scarifies extended with the box grading behind them or I can shorten the top link and be able to scarify without grading. Hopefully, Bush Hog will have some to see and touch at the show!

 

[Ken45101]

The only heavy duty box that I have been able to find on the internet that is a manual rollover or extendable scarifier box is a Bush Hog brand and the 78" extendable scarifier which is the one that most appeals to me at the moment is 800 + pounds and is an HD box. If for some reason when I take a look at them and decide to go with the rollover instead it is about 50 lbs. heavier. I am hoping to see them side-by-side and speak with a factory rep so I can make a better decision unless I can find a used one somewhere reasonably close. My tires are just shy of 6' width and I would prefer a little over that for the box. The rollover is only available in even foot increments. I also like the option of being able to have the scarifies extended with the box grading behind them or I can shorten the top link and be able to scarify without grading. Hopefully, Bush Hog will have some to see and touch at the show!

Ideally, a little more width than your rear tires is good. Too much more width and you might run into maneuvering trouble in tight spots.

The Top 'n Tilt is very useful and can substitute for hydraulic scarifiers if you manually set them right. Unfortunately the TNT outfit (CCM) is no longer in business.

Ken

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Ideally, a little more width than your rear tires is good. Too much more width and you might run into maneuvering trouble in tight spots.

The Top 'n Tilt is very useful and can substitute for hydraulic scarifiers if you manually set them right. Unfortunately the TNT outfit (CCM) is no longer in business.

Ken

Actually CCM is still in business :thumbsup: and there are other companies that build Top and Tilt kits.

 

[Ken45101]

Actually CCM is still in business :thumbsup: and there are other companies that build Top and Tilt kits.

That's good to hear. However, I heard on here that they went out of business and their website is dead.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

That's good to hear. However, I heard on here that they went out of business and their website is dead.

I guess that it was down for awhile, there were some family related problems. All is suppose to be good now.

Here I am helping out a competitor. :mur:

 

[JimP]

I think MtnViewRanch is right on. After reading lots of TBN threads I picked up a used 78 inch Gannon 4x4 BB with hydraulic scarifiers off Craigslist a few months ago. It weighs around 1400 lbs. It is a previous model but parts are still available from Woods and except for some scraped paint and light rust it is sound. Frankly, it would be pretty tough to wear one out. The 78 inch width is just short of my full width with rear tires set out.

I am using it on a 5240 Grand L, so 52 hp, R4s and about 6000 lbs with loader and loaded tires. Yes, at full drop in the right NE soil the box can stop the tractor, so I control the bite with three point height and toplink adjustment. I think this would be the same whether you have a 800 or 1400 lb BB. The hydraulic scarifiers have been more useful than I anticipated. Drop them in hard ground for a few passes to break it up, retract and move the soil, all without getting out of the seat. Come up to a rock or small stump - drop the scarifiers and pull it out, retract and scrape.

The BB weight makes a HUGE difference in traction and loader capacity. With the BB on I can drive through mud that would have me stuck with only the loaded rears. And the weight also balances the loader capacity nicely. Used HD BBs are out there.

 

[jenkinsph]

I agree with Brian a 49hp tractor is capable of utilizing a heavy duty boxblade if it has enough weight. Hydraulic scarifiers are handy, if you use them alot it makes sense to have them. If only occasional use I would put the money on a heavy duty box with topntilt kit, best bang for the buck.

 

[MossflowerWoods]

The BB weight makes a HUGE difference in traction and loader capacity. With the BB on I can drive through mud that would have me stuck with only the loaded rears. Used HD BBs are out there.

JimP,

I was wondering about the traction with heavy BB or ballast box on 3pt.

I have a boggy spot (might have a couple actually) and when LstInThot was here with his tlb (smaller & lighter than my tractor) he was "floating" on the mud way better than I was. I was sinking a bit.

Simple physics would tell me that if I add MORE weight (I had 860 lb stump grinder on 3pt) I would sink worse.

I can see how better balance can definately help the traction equation, esp in 4wd...

Hmmm... Interesting... I need to find one of those used HD BB's and test this out.

Thanks,
David

 

[Herkypilot]

I have a BH SBX 72 and I believe it weights about 550lbs. Not considered a lot but with loaded tires and this BB attached, my loader will not lift enough weight to take the back wheels off the ground. When the loader is about max'ed out, I don't feel the rear is too light. I also have loaded rear tires, so maybe that's the difference. So far all I've done is some driveway cleanup to get the gravel to come to the surface that was covered up with grass. Worked well for that.

HP

 

[JimP]

Hi David,

I apologize if I am hijacking the OPs thread.

I am clearing some very wet areas now. I have a cabbed 5240 with 50% beet juice loaded R4s, about 800 lbs in the rear tires. With no weight in the back and a few logs in the grapple the rears spin in 2wd. 4wd gets me out. With the BB on I can get farther in 2wd and 4 wd. The tractor will "sink" in mud with or without the BB, no way I would say it floats over soft ground. With the BB I just have more traction with the rear wheels. The same is true on solid ground, the rear weight allows the rear wheels to bite. I am going to try snow plowing with the BB on to see if there is any improvement over the 800 lb sander I used last year.

 

[scoutcub]

There are a lot of variables to consider. As an example, I have a 1000lb Gannon roll-over that is 81" wide. There are times when my 12,000lb 75hp tractor will not pull it. Should I get lighter duty implements because there are times when my tractor won't handle it? There are 8' wide boxes out there that are called heavy duty and weigh less than 600lbs. My 66" wide Gannon roll-over that I use behind my 32hp tractor is about 700lbs and I have the same exact problem with it. There are conditions when it will stop the tractor. Should I have lighter duty boxes for both of my tractors?, NO, I just raise the box a little and go on or use Draft Control and not even worry about it. I can pretty much say that if I had lighter duty implements, most of them would be on the scrap pile.

But all of this is up to each individual, all any of us can do is suggest what has and has not worked for them or others that they know of.

What exactly is a roll-over? Advantages over a regular box blade?

 

[KYDan]

Hi David,

I apologize if I am hijacking the OPs thread.

I am clearing some very wet areas now. I have a cabbed 5240 with 50% beet juice loaded R4s, about 800 lbs in the rear tires. With no weight in the back and a few logs in the grapple the rears spin in 2wd. 4wd gets me out. With the BB on I can get farther in 2wd and 4 wd. The tractor will "sink" in mud with or without the BB, no way I would say it floats over soft ground. With the BB I just have more traction with the rear wheels. The same is true on solid ground, the rear weight allows the rear wheels to bite. I am going to try snow plowing with the BB on to see if there is any improvement over the 800 lb sander I used last year.

Don't worry about it. This is a good informative discussion for me. I have pretty much decided that I am going with the manually operated Bush Hog brand of either the rollover or the extendable shank box and leaning more towards the extendable shank version as it weighs roughly 100 lbs. more than the rollover and I don't see any necessary advantages to the rollover. If I don't want to scrape and only want to scarify I believe I can crank the top link up and raise the blade so it doesn't extend to the ground and just set it to drop the scarifier teeth a couple of inches into the ground to rip it and get the surface rocks that are small enough for it to pop them out. If I hang up on a larger rock I will pop it out with the loader bucket. At least that is the current plan.

 

[McGeesEquip]

Here is a link I wish you will check out. I got over 50 different box blades listed. If you are thinking about that Bush Hog box blade take a look at the Dirt Dog line up.

Thanks.

 

[RDrancher]

Here is a link I wish you will check out. I got over 50 different box blades listed. If you are thinking about that Bush Hog box blade take a look at the Dirt Dog line up.

Thanks.

I looked at Dirt Dogs site a few months back and wondered if you verify that they manufacture box blades for Bush Hog.