Heart Healthy Eating

[txdon]

Heart attack at the Heart Attack Grill. Da.
Story here:
Man suffers heart attack while dining at Heart Attack Grill in Las Vegas | Fox News

 

[beppington]

If you're gonna poke at Death, he might just poke ya back.

 

[piller]

To reverse heart disease, like I'm trying to do, or to prevent heart disease like others here are trying to do it is important to eliminate the intake of cholesterol and saturated fats. All animal products contain saturated fats and cholesterol that is why "Heart Healthy Eating" is plant based.

On a personal note, my grandfather, on his farm, had the kind of meat you describe. He died after a long illness of heart disease at age 63.

I'm glad to hear that your plant based diet is working for you.

I think a plant based diet is fine. I think a meat based diet with lot's of fat and cholesterol is fine. I think that problems start when you include processed foods and the wrong carbohydrates in any diet.

 

[Western]

Heart attack at the Heart Attack Grill. Da.
Story here:
Man suffers heart attack while dining at Heart Attack Grill in Las Vegas | Fox News

That has been on the news here for 2 day's, place certainly lives up to it's advertising

 

[brin]

I'm glad to hear that your plant based diet is working for you.

I think a plant based diet is fine. I think a meat based diet with lot's of fat and cholesterol is fine. I think that problems start when you include processed foods and the wrong carbohydrates in any diet.

I have to chime in here and say I agree with you Piller, I think Processed foods are all poison...they are so chocked full of preservatives and Sodium that it is amazing more folks are just dropping over dead...The only things canned my family eats are tomato products with no sodium added...that is all I can think of and we eat no fast food, no packaged meals or pre prepared meals of any kind.

Everyone has a different genetic make up...some truly find they cannot eat meat, some dairy, some gluten etc. For others of us who are not pre -disposed to these problems, a balanced meal is fine as long as it does not include the processed foods and sodium and sugar overdose. Just my 2 cents.

 

[txdon]

I'm glad to hear that your plant based diet is working for you.

I think a meat based diet with lot's of fat and cholesterol is fine.

Not fine for Heart disease.

Almost every study and cardiologist will not agree with you.

 

[piller]

Not fine for Heart disease.

Almost every study and cardiologist will not agree with you.

We can disagree and that's OK.

For example, have you heard about the Masai tribe? Young men in the tribe become Muran warriors at about age 14, they spend the next 20 - 25 years of their lives consuming milk, blood, and beef from cows. Studies have shown no heart disease even though they are living on a high fat animal based diet. When the men change from this diet then the onset of heart disease begins.

How could it be possible to consume a pure high fat animal based diet and not have heart disease? This thread is titled "Heart Healthy Eating", I'm just pointing out that there is more than one approach to a heart healthy diet.

 

[schweizer]

piller,

To each his own, but you are distorting the facts. The Masai men that you are referring to may not have had "heart disease" in the sense of not having narrowed coronary arteries. But, if you read the data you'll find their arteries had such severe atherosclerosis that at autopsy they were the equivalent of US old men. And the average life expectancy in Kenya is 50 years (at the time of the original study). If you remove the high infant mortality rate the adjusted life expectancy was 60 years. The atherosclerosis is masked by their exceptional physical fitness which causes their coronary arteries to dilate over time. What all this means is that the Masai have underlying terrible heart disease which is masked, by their high exercise and low life expectancy. "Most Westerners would have to walk roughly 20 km a day to achieve the Masai level of energy expenditure."

Regular Walking Protects The Masai -- Who Eat High Fat Diet -- From Cardiovascular Disease

Here's one of the original articles discussing the Masai from back in the early 1970's:
ATHEROSCLEROSIS IN THE MASAI

 

[brin]

Don...Have you tried this ....a recipe for a meat substitute, a buddy of mine from Ca. told me about this ..it is called Seitan and is made from Whole wheat flour...the carbs and starch are rinsed away....and it tastes like meat with your seasonings... I am going to try it..here is a link..

HOW TO: Making Seitan from Whole Wheat Flour ~ Forkable

 

[txdon]

Schweizer, Excellent review of the facts on the Masai study!

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Brin, I have never made seitan from whole wheat flour. That site was very interesting. We alway just buy Bob's vital wheat gluten and make seitan sausage. Let us know how it comes out, I just might try it, it does look messy.

If you want to make sausage out of some of that gluten here is the sausage recipe.

Veggeroni (Seitan Pepperoni) | recipe from FatFree Vegan Kitchen