Help me decide which 65-75hp tractor

Gomer pyle · May 3, 2017

I'm looking for a 65-75 hp tractor, 4x4, with loader and no cab. I have been to multiple dealers and have read forums until my eyes hurt. I will be using the tractor mainly to bushhog and loader work in my shop, i.e. I like to hobby metal work. I really want to find a 3-4 year old, low hour, none emissions tractor but after so much wasted time on cons and junk and with the low %rates on new, I'm leaning towards a new one. I have ruled out JD, Mahindra, and Kioti due to multiple reasons on each. I'm really looking at Case Farmall 70c, New Holland T4.75 and Kubota M7060.

My main hold back on the Kubota is the DPF filter. Other than that I really like it. I went and tried a Case and everything felt right about it but the price. I have not seen a NH in person yet but have been told they are a carbon copy of the Case? My main hold back on the NH is that resell seems really low online in my area( I don't plan to sell but don't want to put myself in a bind in the future) and the closest dealer is 1.5 hours away.

Can y'all help me decide on these three and is there any others I should look at?

nybirdman · May 3, 2017

The way I understand it the Case/New Holland are the same tractor.For what it's worth a friend of mine purchased a NH 4.75 last year and is looking to trade it right now.Lots of little problems with his.

Gomer pyle · May 3, 2017

That's the reason I'm hesitant on the NH, reviews are mixed. Most problems and minor but....

Oldoak · May 3, 2017

It's your money, it's your decision.

For me, in that HP range, it would be a Kubota M7060. But like you, I have reservations about the emissions DPF system.

Gomer pyle · May 3, 2017

If I could find a M7040, I wouldn't be asking. LOL. I keep hearing horror stories on Kubota's DPF. Hopefully someone with a M7060 with chime in with better info than I have.

Steppenwolfe · May 3, 2017

Gomer pyle said:
If I could find a M7040, I wouldn't be asking. LOL. I keep hearing horror stories on Kubota's DPF. Hopefully someone with a M7060 with chime in with better info than I have.

What horror stories would that be? My dpf is virtually not noticeable. The only problems I have heard of are the morons who refuse to follow very simple guidelines when the tractor goes into regen. Don't listen to that bs out there would be my opinion.

Gomer pyle · May 3, 2017

Mainly, if used for extended time at low rpm, like in my shop or other loader work, I would have to do a parked regen that could take up to 45 minutes.

jeff9366 · May 3, 2017

Steppenwolfe said:
What horror stories would that be? My dpf is virtually not noticeable.

I share STEPPENWOLE's benign experience with Tier IV. My 2013 Kubota L3560 signals it needs to regenerate every 60 engine hours. Regeneration takes 16 minutes at 2,200 rpm, parked in my driveway.

Regeneration uses approximately $1.00 of diesel fuel every 60 engine hours.

That is one minute of regeneration time for every 3.75 engine hours. Hardly a burden.

Read M7060 REGEN/REGENERATION threads in the T-B-N archive: Google

Turbys_1700 · May 3, 2017

Just food for thought. Nothing more, nothing less. I bought a NH Workmaster 50 last year with a 621 FEL. No issues in 11 months and 95 hours. No DPF. Utilizes a catalytic converter. Less complicated, less issues. Only available in mechanical shuttle. They have the 50, 60, and 70. Not as much tactor as the T4.75. The FEL is strong. Classified as a compact utility. 5K weight. Case has the exact same unit but I am not sure the number. I don't plan on selling my tractor but around here NH sells well.

Gomer pyle · May 3, 2017

Sounds like a Farmall A series. I'm really leaning towards the NH.

BrokeFarmerJohn · May 4, 2017

"CNH" Google it.

International merged with case, Ford merged with NH and NH and Case merged to form CNH.

If money was no issue I would buy the Case, only because I have a 1950 case sitting in one of my barns.

I looked at the workmaster 37, I liked it but the warranty was a joke, the Case came in a few grand less, both those tractors were 5-6k over Kubota, JD E series and Mahindra in my area.

The DPF cycle only takes about 15-20 mins, that seems to be the consensus.

The prob is when the DPF filter gets clogged and needs cleaned out or replaced, then your talking big bucks, 2-3k, I know a few guys that work for caterpillar on industrial generators and they said it's best to avoid the DPF filters, there not a fan and they both said personally they suggest to chose the tractor that didn't have one. Which pushed me to Mahindra but that's out for you.

NH I believe uses a DPF, I'm thinking Case uses the additives.

Turbys_1700 · May 4, 2017

It is the Farmall A series. I just looked at the info on the Case web site to compared it to the Workmaster. They have better overall information than the NH site but some of that info is incorrect. The Case site lists a WB of 96.4". It is 77.5" on the NH site and that is the correct number. The Case site lists a 13 gal fuel tank and the NH site lists 17. I don't know exactly how much my tractor holds but I just put in 13 gallons yesterday. It was below a 1/4 of a tank so I assume that the 17 gallon number is correct. I just looked and Tractor Data now has the info listed for the WM. Looks like they took the info straight from the Case site and lists a fuel capacity of 13.8 gallons. They also lists the 621 FEL capacity at 2204# at 500 mm at full height. My manual states this lift capacity as 2200# at 800 mm. The width on Tractor Data is listed at 77.5". It is 72" on the 4WD with R4 tires. I don't know what the width would be on a 2WD with the rears reversed. Looks like the WB and width specs have been switched.

Gomer pyle · May 4, 2017

Case and NH, in these models at least, both use EGR and a catalyst instead of DPF or DEF, same as Mahindra.
I did look really hard at a Mahindra 5570 but their lack of tranny options was a big turnoff.

Gomer pyle · May 6, 2017

I went to the NH dealer today. I decided against NH due to a 1.5 hour drive to the closest dealer and then the dealer was not very helpful nor did he seem to have much knowledge of the T4.75.
I've found a used JD 5085m that I like and it's a Tier 2 but it has 21xx hours. I know that's not a whole lot but still something to think about.
I'm also strongly rethinking about the Kubota. 12 or 8 speed if I go this route? Cast rear centers? Any other options y'all suggest?

jeff9366 · May 6, 2017

Gomer pyle said:
I'm also strongly rethinking about the Kubota. 12 or 8 speed if I go this route?

TBN has a thread running on this exact topic: http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...-versus-8-speed.html?highlight=12+or+18+speed

Gomer pyle · May 6, 2017

Thanks. I hunted for and found it after I posted in this thread.
If I go Kubota, I will definitely get the 12 speed, the hydraulic flow alone is worth it to me.

coss · May 6, 2017

You obviously know best what you need, but if you are using the tractor for bush hogging and moving metal around with the FEL, you may be able to get by with a less powerful tractor. I have a couple of 38 HP tractors that work well for essentially those applications.

If you opened your search up to models down to about 35 HP, you might find a wider pool of used tractors with the specs you are looking for, and at you might even find a creampuff hobby farm tractor with few hours at much lower price than a new 60 HP tractor.

Now that I've said that, my neighbor has a Case DX60 that has been a great tractor for bigger chores, such as running a round baler.

Texasmark · May 6, 2017

I like mine. Has served me well since Sept. 2007 when I bought it new.

Turbys_1700 · May 6, 2017

Gomer pyle said:
I went to the NH dealer today. I decided against NH due to a 1.5 hour drive to the closest dealer and then the dealer was not very helpful nor did he seem to have much knowledge of the T4.75.
I've found a used JD 5085m that I like and it's a Tier 2 but it has 21xx hours. I know that's not a whole lot but still something to think about.
I'm also strongly rethinking about the Kubota. 12 or 8 speed if I go this route? Cast rear centers? Any other options y'all suggest?

I would go with the 12 speed Kubota. The used Deere is a fine unit but in most instances a good used unit brings good money and the savings over buying new is not that great.

Gomer pyle · May 11, 2017

Well, I committed to the 7060HD12 today. He said it should be here +/- 3 weeks. Thoughts on loader 3rd function? I originally thought about a skid steer auger but I'm not sure if the tractor has enough hydraulic flow. I know most people get it for a grapple setup but I don't see myself using a grapple at this time.