rdsaustintx
Veteran Member
As IF New Holland made anything like a BX. 
(but then I would probably rather have a KIA than a Caddy too).
RDnT
(but then I would probably rather have a KIA than a Caddy too).
RDnT
*About the same here.bxowner said:
Not trying to start an arguement, but I contacted two NH dealers and could have saved $300.00 by buying a TC-33 instead of a B7800, with pretty much the same equipment. I went with the Kubota because I already had one and loved it, just needed something a little bigger than a BX2230. I've heard people say that Kubotas sell better because they're cheaper, but I haven't seen that at all. Didn't bother checking JD because of others horror stories, but the NH, Kubotas, and Masseys are all pretty evenly priced, and I spent a few months shopping.Larry_NFES said:Group,
As a NH dealer, I receive those numbers as part of my market share report. The breakouts are by total counts with my numbers as percentages. Something like 100 sold in the industry, I sold 25, so I had 25% market share for that period. It does not break out by manufacturer or model but it does break out by horsepower range so if you study it close enough, you can pretty much figure out who is selling what and where. Also, you are usually given an opportunity for that business as the customer shops around.
Kubota does have a very large share of the market and it can be contributed simply to price. They are most often the cheapest on the market and if the customer is sensitive about monthly payment and the tractor will still do the job, then why would he pay more than he had to. Simple budget economics.
Larry_NFES said:Just a minute there!....I NEVER once questioned or mentioned the QUALITY of the Kubota tractor or it value versus price comparison. I simply stated they are cheaper then NH, and well, they are. But since you took the time to bash my posting and bring it up, lets look for moment at some the key differences that make them cheaper:
For Kubota Sub Compacts compared to NH:
Kubota BX2350 has:
No sensitrack
To access routine service points, four bolts must be removed and the headlights must be unplugged
Mower height adjustment is located on the floor
No toolbox
Treadle pedal is uncomfortable to operate
Hood design provides limited visibility
ROPS is not pre-drilled for worklights or tool carrier
Slow maximum forward speed of 8.4 mph
Small fuel tank capacity of 6.6 gallons
For Kubota Class 1 compared to NH:
Kubota B7510/ 7610 has:
Integral power steering is a cheaper less reponsive alternative to true hydrostsic power steering
6x2 gear transmission
Have to remove 3 panels to access routine service points
Hood raises on a prop rod
both 3 point lift capacity and loader lift capacity fall way short of NH
only 2 head lights
Much lighter weight tractor
weak electrical power
platform is not finished off under the seat
steering cylinder and tie rods located in front of axle exposed to damage
For Kubota Class 2 compared to NH:
Kubota B2630/ 3030 has:
Poor driveline effecientcy means less PTO HP to get the job done
Only 9.1 gpm hydraulic flow
Fabricated steel trumpet housings contribute to a much lighter tractor
Seat does not swivel
Steering wheel does not telescope
Square hood design severly diminishes visibilty
Side panels have to be removed for routine service items
pre-screen radiator is a cheaper design, requires more maint and is a cheaper alternative to NH automotive flow-through style radiators
Weak electrical power
No supersteer with sensitrak option
For Kubota Class 3 compared to NH:
Kubota L3830/ 4330/ 4630 has:
Poor driveline effecientcy means less PTO HP to get the job done
Treadle pedal is uncomfortable to operate
Hood design provides poor visbility...do the blind spot test
No two speed, power shiftable hydrosatic transmission option
4 panels have to be opened to access routine service points
hood rasies on a prop rod
no telescopic steering column
seat does not swivel
Steering cylinders located in front of axle exposed to damage
no supersteer option
boxy styling hood
For Kubota Class 4 compared to NH:
Kubota L5030 has:
PTO horsepower falls well short of the NH TC55DA
No electro-hydraulic shuttle option
Almost 500 lbs less lift capacity at the 3 point
Very poor visibility
Less front end loader lift capacity
Limited access to engine with side panels removed
Steering cylinders located in front of axle exposed to damage
Joystick mounted to loader mast is uncomfortable to operate
Dry traction clutch
No telescoping steering wheel
Should I continue? It wasnt my intention to go there and I understand that the forum is not for that purpose but I felt I needed to defend myself and my posting. All the things I listed contribute to be able to produce a cheaper tractor. No cheaper in quality, cheaper to BUILD and therefore cheaper to sell to the general public. I was only trying to point out the obvious that a tractor is a tractor, some better than others, and if a buyer feels they are getting a good value for the money they are investing, then it is THEIR choice what to buy. If they like the Kubota then great, if they like the NH, then great for us. Your not going to please everybody all the time. I am just glad that I represent one of the best tractors made in the USA!
Regards,
Larry
Northland said:Welcome Sam of Swenska-yes CNH (Case New Holland) are the same units here as well.
The Kubota forum and most others here are friendly-usually
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