Home heating fuel vs. #2 diesel

[dragoneggs]

Just go buy a cheap oil barrel hand pump it will work just fine. 100 pumps= 13 gals. :dance1:

IF your heating oil happens to be high sulfur (old stuff like mine) then your engine oil will dirty more quickly. 100 hours change versus 200 that Kubota recommends.

All I have is old fuel and have zero issues except dirty engine oil.

Fred

Hi Fred, the HHO is ELS and was recently tested for moisture so I should be good to go.

 

[dragoneggs]

Have you thought about a rotary hand pump? I've got one that I stick into the HHO tank when I am caught short on cash and fuel.

Yeah if my gravity feed idea doesn't pan out, I will probably do the hand pump.

 

[devildog1]

Wow, the colder it gets, the more they get us.This is the price for Diesel in upstate New York State this afternoon. Home heating fuel is $4.02 per gal.:confused3:
DevilDog

 

[aczlan]

All the same here . Truck pumps 1000gal into farm dyed tank then 500 into the house tank from same batch .

Same here. Fuel oil company is also our Kubota dealer, so it works out well.

The fill rite pump will wipe out my savings and more! Would love to have but I am seeing $320 for the low end and need a barrel. My BX will be the only user as I run LP for supplement heat and cooking. Generator is gasoline as are other vehicles and tools, so it hard to justify. Also in the mix is a multi process welder and I would rather skimp on this project and steer the $$$ to the welder and accessories.
Still thinking gravity feed unless someone can convince me that the pump is the way to go for limited use/need.

I paid $100 for a ~100 gallon tank with a rotary hand pump a few years back. Replaced the filter, cleaned it out and had it filled.

Aaron Z

 

[lostcreekranch]

<img src="http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=356666"/> Wow, the colder it gets, the more they get us.This is the price for Diesel in upstate New York State this afternoon. Home heating fuel is $4.02 per gal.:confused3: DevilDog

Whoa! Just paid $3.51 / gallon in Houston, at Sam's Club last week for the F-350. Red Ag diesel now about $3.15.

 

[KY Gun Geek]

Been working through this issue about HHO being the same as #2 Diesel. My supplier is Southern States. Here's what they told me:

1) It all comes out of the same tank - it is chemically the same stuff. They get a tanker of Diesel and pump some into the the tanks for their retail road diesel business, with the rest going into the tank that gets dyed. The ONLY distinction in the product is the taxes that apply.

2) In KY there are 3 levels of taxation - Full (Federal & State), Off Road (State only), and Non-Taxed. Full is for stuff that is used on the roads. Off road might be used in construction equipment or other equipment, not running on black top. Non-taxed is for agricultural and HHO. FWIW Tractors are not automatically assumed to be employed in agricultural activities. For example, I live around Lexington, KY - Thoroughbred central - and lots of tractors here cut paddocks, and bale hay for horses. Horses are not considered to be an agricultural pursuit since we don't eat them, wear them, or use them in production of food (Yes, the Amish get a break on that last one, but then, they don't buy diesel...).

3) When you call and request a delivery of either HHO or off road diesel, the driver of the delivery truck verifies that you are using it for what you say, and charges you for that product. For example, if you order HHO and put it in an elevated tank, 1/2 mile from a house, he is likely going to charge you the KY tax. If you have it put into a tank next to a house, but you seem to be using lots of it in the summer (i.e. you are drawing from that tank to run your tractor), he will not likely charge the KY tax, unless you piss him off ;P

You can get a license from the revenue cabinet that will allow you to always buy the non-taxed stuff. You have to promise that it is used for agricultural activities. To them baling hay (for anything) is good enough! (Form 72A135 if you care).

 

[DarkBlack]

I think you'll find "diesel" has a longer list of requirements than #2 HHO. So technically a particular HHO may not pass all the diesel tests. In real world practice though, I think you'll find HHO being made to pass diesel tests to save$ by having one product. Some of the diesel required tests may also have no real measurable negative results when an engine is actually running HHO tested fuel.

 

[Bigfoot62]

. . . First question... is the claim the heating oil is same as #2 diesel true?

As DarkBlack stated in the very first response to your thread, "Some people claim it is . . . "

I'm not claiming to be an expert. I'm not a petroleum engineer either. My local fuel supplier says that it's the same BASIC fuel, with the diesel having an additive package that increases lubricity. If you use Kerosene or HHO in an engine, it needs to be "slicked up" a little. (Lucas upper cylinder lube, two-stroke engine oil, etc)
JMHO

You can search this site on the subject and read for days.

 

[doxford jim]

Just for grins - the price of diesel fuel in central BC is $1.499 Canadian per litre. That equates to approximately $5.40 (US) for 1 US gallon
(1 US gallon approx = 4 litres).
Seems you guys have it better than us Canadians - but we are used to getting screwed by government, oil companies and anyone else that sells stuff !!!

 

[Bigfoot62]

. . . Seems you guys have it better than us Canadians - but we are used to getting screwed by government, oil companies and anyone else that sells stuff !!!

Hey, wait a minute!! Maybe so, but we're catching up fast.