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LittleBittyBigJohn
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House painters around here charge by the square foot including cabinets.
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BigBlue1
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It's not like I buy a lot of custom cabinets to have tons of experience, but I just can't imagine trying to finish them in an under-construction house. Keeping the dust off of them while wet would be a nightmare. Not to mention that you can't finish the sides when they've already been set in place next to others (not for looks, but to seal the wood). Plus, I'd imagine custom cabinet makers have a great air system for spraying the finish on and that type of thing isn't real portable. Just surprised.
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LittleBittyBigJohn
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When it's painting time the house is not really under construction. The only thing left to do will be flooring, that way the floors don't have to be covered and risk getting paint on them.
At this point the only reason it looks like a house under construction right now is because the big vault in the great room is still open. That is going to be tongue and groove pine. It is still being milled and the trim guys will install it when it delivers. Then the attic insulation can be added. Trim is in process right now. Once that is done I'll have the master shower to tile, paint, countertops, plumbing fixtures installed, electric trimmed out, flooring installed, driveway and sidewalk poured. I think that's it before I can move in.
At this point the only reason it looks like a house under construction right now is because the big vault in the great room is still open. That is going to be tongue and groove pine. It is still being milled and the trim guys will install it when it delivers. Then the attic insulation can be added. Trim is in process right now. Once that is done I'll have the master shower to tile, paint, countertops, plumbing fixtures installed, electric trimmed out, flooring installed, driveway and sidewalk poured. I think that's it before I can move in.
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LittleBittyBigJohn
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Oh, Timothy turkey said to tell you guys hi.
EddieWalker
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I guess it's done differently in different parts of the country, but I've never heard of custom cabinets being finished anywhere else besides the house, after they are installed. Cabinet shop makes and installs the cabinets. Once they are installed, they walk away and don't have anything else to do with the.
Trim carpenters do all the trim work. Once they are done, they walk away and don't have anything to do with the trim.
When everything is done, the painters show up. They do all the sanding, all the hole filling, all the caulking. They tape and put plastic up. And then they start spraying. Enamel for doors, trim and cabinets, latex for walls. When they are there, nobody else is inside the house.
The kitchen is just one room with cabinets. On a lot of jobs, the bathroom and laundry room has cabinets that get painted too, along with built in cabinets in the Living Room. It just doesn't make any sense to paint or stain cabinets somewhere else and then bring them to the house to install them, and then paint everything else in the house that needs painting.
Who installs the cabinets if they are painted before arriving at the house? Does the cabinet maker paint them? Deliver them? and then install them? And then do all the touch up after they are installed? Fill holes, caulk and paint again?
Pre finished cabinets come from the companies that make them in a factory and then put the cabinet in an oven and bake on the finish. It's much better, stronger finish then what a painter can provide inside the house. Pre made cabinets are usually cheaper then custom cabinets because the cost to finish those cabinets is so much higher.
Trim carpenters do all the trim work. Once they are done, they walk away and don't have anything to do with the trim.
When everything is done, the painters show up. They do all the sanding, all the hole filling, all the caulking. They tape and put plastic up. And then they start spraying. Enamel for doors, trim and cabinets, latex for walls. When they are there, nobody else is inside the house.
The kitchen is just one room with cabinets. On a lot of jobs, the bathroom and laundry room has cabinets that get painted too, along with built in cabinets in the Living Room. It just doesn't make any sense to paint or stain cabinets somewhere else and then bring them to the house to install them, and then paint everything else in the house that needs painting.
Who installs the cabinets if they are painted before arriving at the house? Does the cabinet maker paint them? Deliver them? and then install them? And then do all the touch up after they are installed? Fill holes, caulk and paint again?
Pre finished cabinets come from the companies that make them in a factory and then put the cabinet in an oven and bake on the finish. It's much better, stronger finish then what a painter can provide inside the house. Pre made cabinets are usually cheaper then custom cabinets because the cost to finish those cabinets is so much higher.
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LittleBittyBigJohn
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Eddie's explanation is the same for my area also.
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LittleBittyBigJohn
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Timothy Turkey might actually be Timothina? He sure still looks like a girl and is about 6 months old.
JPRambo
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It's crazy to me that construction varys so widely based on geography. You'd think that there's a functional reason for doing things a certain way that would transcend regions!
EddieWalker
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It's rare to install flooring before cabinets. Flooring is usually the very last thing done. Painters hate to have to cover up all the flooring, and risk getting paint on it. Flooring rarely goes under cabinets, you usually set the cabinets and then tile up to them. Trim guys install baseboards half an inch off of the subfloor so you can slide the flooring under the trim. Painters can paint the trim in seconds this way. If there was flooring in place, they would have to tape it before spraying it. Trim is always sprayed, even if it's stained, the clear finish is sprayed over the stain.
I think that when a contractor installs cabinets after painting and flooring, they are doing so for some other reason. Probably timing in getting those cabinets painted somewhere. I've never heard of a cabinet shop that does painting, but I'm sure it's possible that it happens somewhere. More then likely, they are sending them somewhere to get painted, and that delay is forcing the other trades to keep going to get the job done and then dealing with the extra work and expense to install the cabinets later on.
I think that when a contractor installs cabinets after painting and flooring, they are doing so for some other reason. Probably timing in getting those cabinets painted somewhere. I've never heard of a cabinet shop that does painting, but I'm sure it's possible that it happens somewhere. More then likely, they are sending them somewhere to get painted, and that delay is forcing the other trades to keep going to get the job done and then dealing with the extra work and expense to install the cabinets later on.
LOL at the bolded -- our painters didn't worry about it at all. They were happy to get paint all over our tile and hardwoods (between poly coats :/ ). I curse them regularly...
Don't know if it's regional, a function of when trades were available, or just our builder, but our house went in this order:
1. Tile
2. Cabinets
3. Trim
4. Paint pass #1
5. Hardwoods (incl. first poly coat)
6. Carpet
7. Paint pass #2
8. 2nd Hardwood poly coat
This led to all kinds of issues -- paint on carpets, paint on hardwoods between poly coats (so there until we refinish), etc. Apparently the painter our builder uses doesn't believe in drop cloths.
Our cabinets were painted offsite by the manufacturer (Kabinart). But they're not custom, so I suppose that's why.
buckeyefarmer
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When someone says custom cabinets, my only thought is stained.
EddieWalker
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Homes are like clothing fashion, but instead of changing yearly, they tend to have a decade long cycle. We are several years into the Farm style for exterior homes that really likes white paint, black trim, cedar wood and Board and Baton siding. Tile seems to be fake marble, or white subway, or some combination. Everyone is doing it over and over again, so it's just a matter of time until it runs it course and then nobody wants it, just like glass tile was everywhere, and not it's almost impossible to buy.
Cabinets are all flat panel doors that are painted white or grey. Sometimes another color, but the same cheap build with OSB for the panels and some paint grade wood for the frames. They are easy to paint, cheap to build, and just about every new house and remodel is using them. Cabinet shops love them because they are so easy to make. It's almost impossible to find stained wood in a new house, and the trend is so strong that beautiful stained cabinets are being painted white.
Everyone that I know in the "Tile" world says the same thing. We all hate how ugly the fake marble tile looks with the grey veins, but it's what everyone wants, and we're stuck installing it until this trend changes to the next trend.
Cabinets are all flat panel doors that are painted white or grey. Sometimes another color, but the same cheap build with OSB for the panels and some paint grade wood for the frames. They are easy to paint, cheap to build, and just about every new house and remodel is using them. Cabinet shops love them because they are so easy to make. It's almost impossible to find stained wood in a new house, and the trend is so strong that beautiful stained cabinets are being painted white.
Everyone that I know in the "Tile" world says the same thing. We all hate how ugly the fake marble tile looks with the grey veins, but it's what everyone wants, and we're stuck installing it until this trend changes to the next trend.
Kyle_in_Tex
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Also black standing seam roofing is popular right now. Hope the cat never jumps up there in the summer down south here.
Cat on a hot tin roof...
I like the look of it, it just makes no sense unless you spray 2 part foam on the underside of your roof.
Cat on a hot tin roof...
I like the look of it, it just makes no sense unless you spray 2 part foam on the underside of your roof.
buckeyefarmer
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it sure is. But not for me. I don’t play nice with the latest trends.
Or you have a vented attic and your decking is OSB with a radiant barrier applied
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It was a struggle finding a painting crew to do a good job and only paint what needs painted. The crew I use now covers 100 percent of the floor and tapes every seam and the edges.
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LittleBittyBigJohn
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I cleaned up around the outside until the rain stopped me. I also re-graded around my pond. I had originally made the banks too steep to mow.
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LittleBittyBigJohn
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Use what ya got right?
EddieWalker
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I love old busted up brick for filling my ditches.
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