How Hard to De-Green a Kubota MX5200?

[hayden]

If DPF is so trouble-free, how come pre-emissions tractors cost so much?

Because people are afraid of new things

 

[terraformer]

De-green.... a bucket of orange paint.

 

[Hermio]

I am glad my Mahindra 5035 HST does not have a catalyst to fool with.

 

[MHarryE]

The tractor you are looking at has only DPF. I've been running 4 DPF tractors (including a SVL75-2) for 10 years with one problem - forgot my M5-111 running at idle over a weekend and when I next went to it the DPF was at something like 195% if I remember right and needed cleaning. I replaced a no DPF L5740 with a L6060. Only things I noticed over the 6 years I had the L6060 were reduction in fuel usage and lack of soot (meaning it didn't set off the smoke detector in the garage at start like the L5740 did). DEF is another issue, at least early ones. I have a M5 and M7 with DEF. The M7 was early, began having problems at about 500 hours and Kubota refused to replace the entire system so I would limp from one major lost time incident to the next. By the time they finally replaced the last, most expensive part, the DEF pump, it was no longer under emissions warranty and despite my having records (pictures time stamped every time I had an issue), Kubota refused to pay for the pump. I did enough business with the dealer so he stepped up and split the cost with me. The DEF pump stopped on my M5-111 in its second year. I dug into it and found the connector to the DEF pump had not been properly snapped into place and the pins were corroded. Pictures to document and Kubota replaced the DEF pump and harness with no argument. The M5 replaced the L6060 because of my need for the M7. The M5 can handle virtually all of my M7 needs but at a lower pace while the L6060 was unacceptable. Incidentally a neighbor is a mechanic for the local county highway department. He says drivers frequently forget their JD mowing tractors running overnight and he has to contend with a lot of plugged DPFs. He says he pressure washes the DPFs and they're good to go. I'm not willing to try that but then again I've only screwed up and plugged a DPF once. And rarely do I ever notice a regen except the light catching my eye as its doing a regen. But I dislike Kubota not letting me start a regen at 98% at the end of the day. If I stop, the next day when I start the cold engine immediately wants a regen. Why they can't let me initiate a regen at 98% when its the end of the day I have no idea. My nephew says same thing about his M110GX - he now has 6500 hours with one DPF cleaning when he did the same thing I did - forgot the engine running at idle overnight and the DPF was too plugged the next day to do a regen so he had to have it cleaned.

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

I will say, I don't read about Kubota having DPF issues. The vast majority of emissions complaints are from LS owners.

 

[Redlined0002]

I have 3 Kubota MX5100 Tractors for sale. Pre emissions. 4x4. With front end Loader. 500-700 hrs. Located in Waynesboro Tennessee. Can transport or help arrange shipping.
John 904-813-4740

 

[2manyrocks]

How much not counting shipping?

 

[Bob Gibson]

How high do you keep your RPM's in normal use?

Get a TYM with a Kukje engine in it and you will be happy! Easy to work on, no computer, no DEF, and way cheaper than Kubota or John Deere!

 

[jyoutz]

Get a TYM with a Kukje engine in it and you will be happy! Easy to work on, no computer, no DEF, and way cheaper than Kubota or John Deere!

There are no DEF units on any tractor under 75 hp.

 

[Suburban Plowboy]

I thought all this stuff was the same when I brought the subject up. I had no idea DEF and DPF were different things. I have three diesels and none of this EPA gadgetry, so I never had any reason to become familiar with it.

TYM tractors look really good apart from all the parts complaints.

I have learned to distrust environmental "advances." Sometimes they're wonderful, and then there are all the other times.

My house came with curly Gore bulbs full of mercury. They took about a minute to turn on fully, and they put Americans out of work. I got rid of them when LED's came along, and then I found out LED bulbs are intentionally designed to fail early. The manufacturers put false longevity claims on the packaging, and our government lets them.

I thought I had finally found a green device I liked, but no such luck. The government of Dubai made Phillips create LED bulbs that actually work, but they are not supposed to be sold in the US.

I had a green front-loading washer. My clothes smelled like mildew. I found out this type of washer stores filthy water between washes and keeps more filthy water inside the door gasket. People like to claim they've found solutions, but they're all lying or in denial. There is no solution.

I bought a Maytag that uses about a billion gallons of water per wash. It has three dials and one button. No computer. I no longer stink, and the washer should last 15 years. The more water it "wastes," the happier I am. All you guys who have green front loaders are actually wearing your own diluted filth.

I have all sorts of electronics that refuse to stay on, as if I'm not entitled to leave them on if I want. I have freezers full of flammable gas because the old refrigerants made penguins depressed or something. Flammable gas, in an appliance in a combustible dwelling with three people living in it.

My chainsaws came with EPA-mandated defects the makers did not go out of their way to mention on the packaging. I fixed that. I had to start buying special gas because the EPA likes diverting crops to ruin engines.

Paper straws. There's a beauty. They collapse. Everyone hates them. I went to Ebay and bought 600 plastic straws. The city where I used to live banned plastic "T shirt" grocery bags in favor of paper, which is inferior and actually much worse for the environment. We're banning plastics to protect sea life, in a country where no one dumps at sea.

I could go on.

I have ample reason to be suspicious of green stuff. It's not irrational. What's irrational is assuming these products will work and buying them without questioning it. I'm all for green everything, but it has to work.

Now tiny tractors have devices that deal with a miniscule amount of soot which would otherwise land on the grass and disappear without leaving their owners' property. Okay, but I want to know what I'm doing if I buy one.

 

[Suburban Plowboy]

I forgot to bring up my shower heads.

 

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I thought all this stuff was the same when I brought the subject up. I had no idea DEF and DPF were different things. I have three diesels and none of this EPA gadgetry, so I never had any reason to become familiar with it.

TYM tractors look really good apart from all the parts complaints.

I have learned to distrust environmental "advances." Sometimes they're wonderful, and then there are all the other times.

My house came with curly Gore bulbs full of mercury. They took about a minute to turn on fully, and they put Americans out of work. I got rid of them when LED's came along, and then I found out LED bulbs are intentionally designed to fail early. The manufacturers put false longevity claims on the packaging, and our government lets them.

I thought I had finally found a green device I liked, but no such luck. The government of Dubai made Phillips create LED bulbs that actually work, but they are not supposed to be sold in the US.

I had a green front-loading washer. My clothes smelled like mildew. I found out this type of washer stores filthy water between washes and keeps more filthy water inside the door gasket. People like to claim they've found solutions, but they're all lying or in denial. There is no solution.

I bought a Maytag that uses about a billion gallons of water per wash. It has three dials and one button. No computer. I no longer stink, and the washer should last 15 years. The more water it "wastes," the happier I am. All you guys who have green front loaders are actually wearing your own diluted filth.

I have all sorts of electronics that refuse to stay on, as if I'm not entitled to leave them on if I want. I have freezers full of flammable gas because the old refrigerants made penguins depressed or something. Flammable gas, in an appliance in a combustible dwelling with three people living in it.

My chainsaws came with EPA-mandated defects the makers did not go out of their way to mention on the packaging. I fixed that. I had to start buying special gas because the EPA likes diverting crops to ruin engines.

Paper straws. There's a beauty. They collapse. Everyone hates them. I went to Ebay and bought 600 plastic straws. The city where I used to live banned plastic "T shirt" grocery bags in favor of paper, which is inferior and actually much worse for the environment. We're banning plastics to protect sea life, in a country where no one dumps at sea.

I could go on.

I have ample reason to be suspicious of green stuff. It's not irrational. What's irrational is assuming these products will work and buying them without questioning it. I'm all for green everything, but it has to work.

Now tiny tractors have devices that deal with a miniscule amount of soot which would otherwise land on the grass and disappear without leaving their owners' property. Okay, but I want to know what I'm doing if I buy one.

I sincerely hope you get some help.

 

[Suburban Plowboy]

Do you also make intelligent posts, or are they all like this?

 

[Redlined0002]

How much not counting shipping?

$30k ,$28k and $26k

 

[jyoutz]

I thought all this stuff was the same when I brought the subject up. I had no idea DEF and DPF were different things. I have three diesels and none of this EPA gadgetry, so I never had any reason to become familiar with it.

TYM tractors look really good apart from all the parts complaints.

I have learned to distrust environmental "advances." Sometimes they're wonderful, and then there are all the other times.

My house came with curly Gore bulbs full of mercury. They took about a minute to turn on fully, and they put Americans out of work. I got rid of them when LED's came along, and then I found out LED bulbs are intentionally designed to fail early. The manufacturers put false longevity claims on the packaging, and our government lets them.

I thought I had finally found a green device I liked, but no such luck. The government of Dubai made Phillips create LED bulbs that actually work, but they are not supposed to be sold in the US.

I had a green front-loading washer. My clothes smelled like mildew. I found out this type of washer stores filthy water between washes and keeps more filthy water inside the door gasket. People like to claim they've found solutions, but they're all lying or in denial. There is no solution.

I bought a Maytag that uses about a billion gallons of water per wash. It has three dials and one button. No computer. I no longer stink, and the washer should last 15 years. The more water it "wastes," the happier I am. All you guys who have green front loaders are actually wearing your own diluted filth.

I have all sorts of electronics that refuse to stay on, as if I'm not entitled to leave them on if I want. I have freezers full of flammable gas because the old refrigerants made penguins depressed or something. Flammable gas, in an appliance in a combustible dwelling with three people living in it.

My chainsaws came with EPA-mandated defects the makers did not go out of their way to mention on the packaging. I fixed that. I had to start buying special gas because the EPA likes diverting crops to ruin engines.

Paper straws. There's a beauty. They collapse. Everyone hates them. I went to Ebay and bought 600 plastic straws. The city where I used to live banned plastic "T shirt" grocery bags in favor of paper, which is inferior and actually much worse for the environment. We're banning plastics to protect sea life, in a country where no one dumps at sea.

I could go on.

I have ample reason to be suspicious of green stuff. It's not irrational. What's irrational is assuming these products will work and buying them without questioning it. I'm all for green everything, but it has to work.

Now tiny tractors have devices that deal with a miniscule amount of soot which would otherwise land on the grass and disappear without leaving their owners' property. Okay, but I want to know what I'm doing if I buy one.

Sounds like a Ford 8N would be a perfect tractor for you. And you can buy them cheap.

 

[Suburban Plowboy]

No, it doesn't.

 

[Balazar]

This is a different solution all together... TYM makes tractors with A2300 motors. It is basically a licensed copy of a Cummins A2300 with mechanical fuel injection. It has a DPF filter, but no DEF. The ECU would not even know if you deleted the DPF. It just has a pressure sensor to tell you when to do a regen. Most never do need to regen if run in the normal working RPM range. These tractors have a simple design with all features being mechanical. No computer or electronic control of anything. This was the main selling point for me. I'm out in the boonies. Reliabiltiy and self repairability are paramount. I'm very happy with my machine. If you hit the TYM forum on here you will see a lot of happy owners. Also TYM tractors are a bargain. You could probably buy a new TYM with a 6 year warranty for similar to what you would pay for used Kubota. If you haven't heard of TYM, they manufature for Yanmar and Lamborghini as well as provide OEM parts for many other name brands. Just food for thought.

 

[Suburban Plowboy]

I'm kind of startled by the prices above for used Kubotas.

I have seen people complain about the plastic parts and knobs and so on, on TYM's, as though that's where TYM saved money. I was wondering whether it was feasible to make little improvements to these parts.

My tractor seems pretty heavily built. Steel, rubber, and a little plastic. Seems very tough.

I saw a TYM in a video, and it had a plastic tank. My tractor is about 25 years old, and it has a metal tank above the engine, where it's really hard to fill. Is plastic considered normal now? My c. 1990 JD garden tractor has a plastic tank.

As the guy who bought the no-frills Maytag commercial washer and loves it, I have to say that TYM is appealing.

 

[2manyrocks]

A recent year used hst mx with loader, about 225 hours that looked in excellent condition was priced somewhere around $28,000 as I recall near me in Tennessee couple of months ago. I think it sold quickly.

 

[Suburban Plowboy]

I wonder what my tractor is worth with 1200 hours.