Redbug
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Thanks for posting that DieselBound. Good points and I am digesting the links...
How long before Compact Diesels are obsolete?
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Snobdds
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Interesting announcement considering Microsoft has a giant data center here.
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'Future of energy is here': Wyoming to host nation's first Natrium nuclear reactor - Cheyenne, WY Cap City News
CHEYENNE, Wyo.— Wyoming will be home to the first “Natrium” nuclear reactor. The Cowboy State has been selected by TerraPower and PacifiCorp for the
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MechanicalGuy
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I’m gonna go with “never”.
pmmully
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Once all the tree huggers figure out how dirty it is to mine and dispose of lithium we will be in a quandary. Then add in the civil rights to mining it and all sorts of things will happen. We are number 8 on the world list for lithium reserves.
Plus, the electric grid in the US is not equipped to have a gazillion people plug in for a charge, you will see rolling brown-outs.
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I say EV takes too much resources to juice things up.
I like things powered by HOT AIR.
MDI and Tata have at least five different air-powered vehicles in the pipeline. Some of them run on only compressed air. This requires the vehicle to have a large carbon-fibre air tank that can store compressed air and gives it an operational range of 200 km. The engine is a light-weight aluminium two-cylinder or four-cylinder engine that uses air to drive the pistons instead of petrol.
Tata Nano air car launch possible in India, Tata Motors compressed air cars
With so many politicians blowing enough HOT AIR, all of our energy needs would be SOLVED.
The Tata Nano Car has already seen some production.
Tata Nano review | Autocar
Being the cheapest doesn't necessarily make it the worst and for £1700 the Tata Nano is unbelievable value. It's a one-box saloon, as short and narrow as an original Mini, but more than a foot taller, with its steel monocoque body mated to a tough spaceframe.
Bigger than a Mini-Cooper and uses NO petrol. Less parts than a 2-cly diesel even.
Even the AMISH use compressed air systems for power. It takes a 4-horse team to pull the weights via cables up a few stories. Then the chains are clipped onto the weights to apply pressure into the pneumatic system. 2X a day is all that is needed for the horses to hook up, lift the weights and then back to pasture. An entire wood cabinet facility is then cutting for the day.
I like things powered by HOT AIR.
MDI and Tata have at least five different air-powered vehicles in the pipeline. Some of them run on only compressed air. This requires the vehicle to have a large carbon-fibre air tank that can store compressed air and gives it an operational range of 200 km. The engine is a light-weight aluminium two-cylinder or four-cylinder engine that uses air to drive the pistons instead of petrol.
Tata Nano air car launch possible in India, Tata Motors compressed air cars
With so many politicians blowing enough HOT AIR, all of our energy needs would be SOLVED.
The Tata Nano Car has already seen some production.
Tata Nano review | Autocar
Being the cheapest doesn't necessarily make it the worst and for £1700 the Tata Nano is unbelievable value. It's a one-box saloon, as short and narrow as an original Mini, but more than a foot taller, with its steel monocoque body mated to a tough spaceframe.
Bigger than a Mini-Cooper and uses NO petrol. Less parts than a 2-cly diesel even.
Even the AMISH use compressed air systems for power. It takes a 4-horse team to pull the weights via cables up a few stories. Then the chains are clipped onto the weights to apply pressure into the pneumatic system. 2X a day is all that is needed for the horses to hook up, lift the weights and then back to pasture. An entire wood cabinet facility is then cutting for the day.
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Well, here you go, then...I say EV takes too much resources to juice things up.
I like things powered by HOT AIR.
But then you have to haul those horses around so you can fill up on your cross country road trip and that has to really cut your range.
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Ford announced they have 70,000 orders for the new electric F-150. That compares to about 800,000 gas F-150’s sold in a year.
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Preorders are one thing. Once it's on the dealers lot and ready for anyone to walk in and buy that's when you'll find out how well it's selling. I know Ford is saying that the MachE is selling great but a local dealer has had 5 sitting on his lot for over a month now (probably longer). I have yet to see one on the road but I see about one or two Teslas a month so EVs aren't that popular around here.
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they could make a perpetual motion machine a reality
Redbug
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I'm not so sure the rest of the world is ready for this new electric revolution that will bring much more efficiency while saving the planet.
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Just look at all the household items that are made
from oil! Also all the products in the grocery store
that use plastic wrap, plastic containers, plastic bottles
etc.
When there were gas wars some guys changed their
pickups to run on steam plenty of wood in the northwest
etc.
willy
from oil! Also all the products in the grocery store
that use plastic wrap, plastic containers, plastic bottles
etc.
When there were gas wars some guys changed their
pickups to run on steam plenty of wood in the northwest
etc.
willy
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One word to add: Petro-Dollar (what this all means)
Pretty sure that the POWERs in the US (and the western world that is hitched tightly to the USD) realize that pushing away from fossil fuels will mean the end of the USD as world's reserve currency. When the USD crashes it'll pretty much take out the US economy; and there goes any thoughts of large-scale production: lithum and other key elements of our current and mid-term EV requirements will become vastly more expensive (when priced in USD). Will be tough enough for folks looking to exchange their gas-guzzling SUVs for EVs, let alone spending on electric CUT tractors. Folks in the horse and hay business, unless they're a big corporation (and can afford attorneys to work tax loopholes), are going to get totally leveled. There's a chance that global concessions are made (mostly it'll be the US that concedes), and while that would likely reduce the chance of large-scale wars (and End Times), it'll mean a vastly reduced standard of living for the average US citizen.
Read the link provided above. Basically it comes down to it being inevitable, but timing can be greatly influenced by China's and Russia's actions. And the irony couldn't be greater. "Free trade" means that China and Russia could opt (and are working in that direction) to trade oil outside of the USD, actually "freely" trading between each other without US-as-middle-man/proxy. As China's oil consumption rises (despite EV production there's still lag time here at play) more of the world's oil trades will shift away from USD; this will start to erode USD's value which will place increasing pressures on the Middle East oil producers to trade via USD. To-date the US has propped up the Saudi Royal Family's rule with the agreement that they trade oil in USD in exchange for US military protection: keep in mind that this is one of, if not the most, detestible, anti-democratic "govt" (in only but the most lax interpretation of the word "government" can the Saudis claim to have one), AND, the majority of 9/11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. We're literally dancing with the devil. Collapse the USD and US economy OR save the planet? A US shift toward EV means less oil trade happening, which only puts increased downward pressure on the Saudis (and others). NOTE: US, which helped create the pool of Sunni extremists (who were involved in 9/11) in order to evict the Russians from Afghanistan are holding a sword over the necks of the Saudi Royal family (it's been this way from the very formation of the House of Saud); it's only a matter of time before they overrun the royal family and the Petro-Dollar collapses: ***** bin Laden (once working for the CIA [refer to eviction of Russians from Afghanistan]) spoke against the US base in Mecca; there is ZERO reason to believe that the US would continue to be "welcomed" there.
I don't take any sides. I'm just presenting realities/facts. I realize that our environment is in peril (growth in general is the greatest issue, fossil fuel burning will, owing to its finite-ness and the looming economic decline, wane). I also realize that there are no realistic "solutions," not as long as we're asking the WRONG questions: our economic system doesn't allow us to properly talk about sustainability, as any such equation cannot contain the word "growth" (any discussion that props up "growth" without a defined end/limit is NOT addressing sustainability). We're clearly not being honest with ourselves. I have no problem if people don't care and they state so; it's when there's a pretense of caring ("I am saving the planet by driving my Prius/EV!") that I see this dishonesty (supported by lots of marketing buzz words).
My "final" take is that humans have always tended toward increased energy density use and that the move toward all-electric, while noble and all, represents a step down- it won't come off as pleasant: those pushing nuclear power: how long would nuclear be acceptable before nutjobs hijack weapons and take care of all our "problems?"
I'll be around here for a while (unless this posting gets me banned [in case, I ask the preemptive: why?]), so there ought to be time to judge how things turned out: I can only hope that we'll still be around.
Sigh, always use caution when wishing for things...
Pretty sure that the POWERs in the US (and the western world that is hitched tightly to the USD) realize that pushing away from fossil fuels will mean the end of the USD as world's reserve currency. When the USD crashes it'll pretty much take out the US economy; and there goes any thoughts of large-scale production: lithum and other key elements of our current and mid-term EV requirements will become vastly more expensive (when priced in USD). Will be tough enough for folks looking to exchange their gas-guzzling SUVs for EVs, let alone spending on electric CUT tractors. Folks in the horse and hay business, unless they're a big corporation (and can afford attorneys to work tax loopholes), are going to get totally leveled. There's a chance that global concessions are made (mostly it'll be the US that concedes), and while that would likely reduce the chance of large-scale wars (and End Times), it'll mean a vastly reduced standard of living for the average US citizen.
Read the link provided above. Basically it comes down to it being inevitable, but timing can be greatly influenced by China's and Russia's actions. And the irony couldn't be greater. "Free trade" means that China and Russia could opt (and are working in that direction) to trade oil outside of the USD, actually "freely" trading between each other without US-as-middle-man/proxy. As China's oil consumption rises (despite EV production there's still lag time here at play) more of the world's oil trades will shift away from USD; this will start to erode USD's value which will place increasing pressures on the Middle East oil producers to trade via USD. To-date the US has propped up the Saudi Royal Family's rule with the agreement that they trade oil in USD in exchange for US military protection: keep in mind that this is one of, if not the most, detestible, anti-democratic "govt" (in only but the most lax interpretation of the word "government" can the Saudis claim to have one), AND, the majority of 9/11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. We're literally dancing with the devil. Collapse the USD and US economy OR save the planet? A US shift toward EV means less oil trade happening, which only puts increased downward pressure on the Saudis (and others). NOTE: US, which helped create the pool of Sunni extremists (who were involved in 9/11) in order to evict the Russians from Afghanistan are holding a sword over the necks of the Saudi Royal family (it's been this way from the very formation of the House of Saud); it's only a matter of time before they overrun the royal family and the Petro-Dollar collapses: ***** bin Laden (once working for the CIA [refer to eviction of Russians from Afghanistan]) spoke against the US base in Mecca; there is ZERO reason to believe that the US would continue to be "welcomed" there.
I don't take any sides. I'm just presenting realities/facts. I realize that our environment is in peril (growth in general is the greatest issue, fossil fuel burning will, owing to its finite-ness and the looming economic decline, wane). I also realize that there are no realistic "solutions," not as long as we're asking the WRONG questions: our economic system doesn't allow us to properly talk about sustainability, as any such equation cannot contain the word "growth" (any discussion that props up "growth" without a defined end/limit is NOT addressing sustainability). We're clearly not being honest with ourselves. I have no problem if people don't care and they state so; it's when there's a pretense of caring ("I am saving the planet by driving my Prius/EV!") that I see this dishonesty (supported by lots of marketing buzz words).
My "final" take is that humans have always tended toward increased energy density use and that the move toward all-electric, while noble and all, represents a step down- it won't come off as pleasant: those pushing nuclear power: how long would nuclear be acceptable before nutjobs hijack weapons and take care of all our "problems?"
I'll be around here for a while (unless this posting gets me banned [in case, I ask the preemptive: why?]), so there ought to be time to judge how things turned out: I can only hope that we'll still be around.
Sigh, always use caution when wishing for things...
Well, uh, the Truth is (OK well MAYBE "the truth is")
we humans have used our great little minds to do what we want ,with no regard for the "larger picture", and having "opened Pandora's Box", we have been able to avoid the ensuing consequences:
or at least put them off until the looming so-called "End Times",
whose effect is just beginning, and whose change will affect every person, along with everything else.
Thus we drift-(to paraphrase Einstein) towards unmitigated disaster.
(“...................... everything has changed save our modes of thinking and we thus drift toward unparalleled catastrophe.”)
I shall now step off the soap-box.
"This, too, shall pass.
we humans have used our great little minds to do what we want ,with no regard for the "larger picture", and having "opened Pandora's Box", we have been able to avoid the ensuing consequences:
or at least put them off until the looming so-called "End Times",
whose effect is just beginning, and whose change will affect every person, along with everything else.
Thus we drift-(to paraphrase Einstein) towards unmitigated disaster.
(“...................... everything has changed save our modes of thinking and we thus drift toward unparalleled catastrophe.”)
I shall now step off the soap-box.
"This, too, shall pass.
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