Thanks for all the answers. I was just trying to speculate on possibilities for my property in the future.....baling would have been a nice to do thing...but I'll re-address it when the time comes. (Years?) I don't want to try it with the size tractor I'm shopping for. It makes sense that it's the size/weight of the tractor, even with a small square baler. I remember cutting, raking and baling hay when I was a kid working for the local farmers, but I never had a need to know the details of the equipment then. I just did what I was told!
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How much HP ?
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Just to be the instigator of trouble /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif (having taken to heart the infinitely more experienced words of Cowboydoc and Daryl re CUTs and Haying) - but did anyone reading this thread notice this photo that Typhoon posted in his collection of shots from the DuQuoin State Fair in Illinois?
(Brad - apologies for hijacking your shot-I didn't know how to point people to that one message in your thread)
What is Agco thinking?
That looks like an Agco ST hitched to that "little" Hesston 730 but I'll be danged if I can make out what model. The 730 weights only about 2800 lbs with a 500 lb tongue weight (empty) and maxes out at a 500lb bale. Wants 30 PTO hp. An interesting size - bigger than the tiny CUT-oriented balers but much smaller than the normal rounder. I would have liked to talk to the dealer showing that set up there to get his thoughts if that was realistic or a "stunt". I think the 730 is just an update to the 530 and I have seen them for sale (rarely) around here used for decent prices.
Tim
(Brad - apologies for hijacking your shot-I didn't know how to point people to that one message in your thread)
What is Agco thinking?
That looks like an Agco ST hitched to that "little" Hesston 730 but I'll be danged if I can make out what model. The 730 weights only about 2800 lbs with a 500 lb tongue weight (empty) and maxes out at a 500lb bale. Wants 30 PTO hp. An interesting size - bigger than the tiny CUT-oriented balers but much smaller than the normal rounder. I would have liked to talk to the dealer showing that set up there to get his thoughts if that was realistic or a "stunt". I think the 730 is just an update to the 530 and I have seen them for sale (rarely) around here used for decent prices.
Tim
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Tim,
I dont' know what these guys are thinking to be honest with you. I see guys recommending it all the time. If you have perfectly flat ground, no hills at all, and make a small bale you could get by with it I suppose. I think it's dumb when you can buy a good older utility tractor for a couple thousand dollars to bale with and be completely safe and bale on hills but to each his own. Anybody that has ever baled before knows it's a royal pain to only bale with one tractor too.
I dont' know what these guys are thinking to be honest with you. I see guys recommending it all the time. If you have perfectly flat ground, no hills at all, and make a small bale you could get by with it I suppose. I think it's dumb when you can buy a good older utility tractor for a couple thousand dollars to bale with and be completely safe and bale on hills but to each his own. Anybody that has ever baled before knows it's a royal pain to only bale with one tractor too.
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Yepper Coyboydoc. You need at least a 4,000 lb tractor to bale with. That is bare weight not counting loaded tires. Just my opinion of course /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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FYI - Just for grins I had emailed JD with that specific question - "could a round baler the size of a Hesston 730 or a low-end square baler ala a JD 328 be used with a 4710?"
JD sent a very nice reply and didn't come right out and say you couldn't (or mention any warranty concerns), but said that the 4710 would "not be the model of choice" and strongly recommended going to a 5000 if you were planning any such work or "other light field work or tillage".
Tim
JD sent a very nice reply and didn't come right out and say you couldn't (or mention any warranty concerns), but said that the 4710 would "not be the model of choice" and strongly recommended going to a 5000 if you were planning any such work or "other light field work or tillage".
Tim
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I once saw a guy pulling a 25 goose neck trailer and small dozer with a 3/4 ton truck.
Completely illegal, way over GVWR and over GCWR.
But he was pulling it just fine.
I did not see the attempt to stop it.........
That point is just because it might be technically possible to do something does not mean its smart.
Fred
Completely illegal, way over GVWR and over GCWR.
But he was pulling it just fine.
I did not see the attempt to stop it.........
That point is just because it might be technically possible to do something does not mean its smart.
Fred
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My dad just bought a new Heston in-line baler, not sure of the model. The in-line design makes it physically smaller than what I'm used to seeing, but it makes standard size small square bales. He started out pulling it with a Kubota L4330GST, but then needed it elsewhere and switched to an L2900GST (25HP at PTO). The 2900 handled it easily, and we have several other customers baling with L-series tractors. My dad's fields are all flat, you do want to make sure that you have enough tractor weight to handle the baler if you are going to be on the hills with it. Anyway, good luck. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gifChrista
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Good customer service, though - when I got home that night the same gent from JD headquarters who had responded via email had left a message on my answering machine - suggesting the same basic thing - I'd be better off with a 5000 series for baling.
Tim
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I agree HP is not the issue. I pulled an older square baler with a ford 1700 (~2000lb/24 PTO HP). I did about 100 bales with it on a basically flat field, no wagon, just picked them up later.
I never had any problem with powering the baler or any problem with the baler 'wagging' the tractor.
I'm not saying I'd recommend it, but I have a really hard time seeing a problem pulling this with my Kubota L4610. The tractor weighs about 4500lbs (without the loader) and has 50% more PTO HP.
My brother-in-law pulls the same baler with a JD "B", which is in the 25HP range. I don't understand why something you can pull with a JD "B" can't be pulled with my L4610...
-Chris
I never had any problem with powering the baler or any problem with the baler 'wagging' the tractor.
I'm not saying I'd recommend it, but I have a really hard time seeing a problem pulling this with my Kubota L4610. The tractor weighs about 4500lbs (without the loader) and has 50% more PTO HP.
My brother-in-law pulls the same baler with a JD "B", which is in the 25HP range. I don't understand why something you can pull with a JD "B" can't be pulled with my L4610...
-Chris
