How much vehicle to tow Deere 410C Backhoe

[Diamondpilot]

I have never owned a dump truck but my neighbor has 2 and the guy across the street has 3. All are small gas single axle deals. They can be had for about $2000. One needed brake work and it was $1700 and like others said tires can run you.

When the guy across the street has a big job to do with his Case 580 he hires a large quad axle. We used a company last year and they charge $75 per hour. It does not matter if they are sitting or running. They can haul 25 tons versus his 7 tons so in the long run they can run cheaper on the one run than he can on 4 runs to move the same material.

If you do not need a dump just hire it out. Get a 1 ton or better yet and 450/4500 or larger diesel truck like the new Ford or Dodge offerings and be done with it. Now you have a truck that can do a lot of things.

Chris

 

[whodat526]

for hauling a backhoe all u need is atleast a 3/4 ton truck and a dual tadem tralier. i used a 2008 chevy 2500 and have hauled three tractors on my dual tadem at once with no problem and have pulled a 40 ft trailer loaded with four tractor with it

 

[QRTRHRS]

Electric brakes work very well in the sales brochures, real life is a different story.
When something fails in an electric brake system, the result is one or more wheels have no braking action. When something fails in air brakes, the brakes are applied. Air brakes are spring applied, air released. Of course there are exceptions, but this has been my experience.

Disregarding all the components making up an air brake system except for the chambers, this is how a basic system works on say a single axle dump truck.

The front axle chambers have one diaphram with a spring. The spring holds the brake pads away from the brake drum. When you apply the pedal, the air pressure overcomes the spring to allow pads to contact the drums.

The rear axle is the same but the chambers have two diaphrams, two springs. That is where the term "spring brakes" comes from. The second or rear diaphram on the chamber works inversely to the first chamber.

The spring holds the brake pads to the drum. When you release the parking brake valve, the air pressure overcomes the spring to release the brake pads. Hence, if you were to loose air, the rear brakes would automatically come on.

The front brakes will only work with the brake pedal and only if the air system is working correctly. When the spring brake is actuated, full braking power is applied to the rear axle. You surely would not want that action on the front axle.

The spring brakes also act as the parking brake. A far superior system over the parking brake on a hydraulic system such as a one ton truck has.

I might also add that persons maintaining air brake systems must be qualified. The spring in the spring brake system chamber is strong enough to kill should it be improperly taken apart to repair.

Here is a good explanation on chambers.

 

[SixHoeBob]

Thank you for the good explanation, I learned something. I was told that if the spring chamber band is removed and the spring gets out, it will kill everyone in it's path. Just something to be aware of.

 

[boggen]

For a 20 mile radius, THE BEST scenario is to just drive the backhoe to the different work sites. By the time you have loaded and chained down and unloaded the machine, you could be half way there.

first reaction was with ya. but...

20 miles. that is a good amount of distance. and limited at approx 15mph to 24mph (pending on road gear of tractor). plus making sure all lights work on tractor.

not counting wear and tear on tractor tires. tractor tires are by no means cheap. upwards of 600 to 1500 bucks per tire. let alone bumpy ride due to no suspension in a tractor, ya get a beating.

not to mention safety factor of main roads that are 55mph speed limit. and constant traffic trying to zip around you. when it is planting or harvesting time. farmers are out by the tons. and ya except it. but when it is not planting or harvesting time. being out on road can be more dangerous.

20 mile radius for me, would mean going over some bridges over a river. and they are all highway. but a couple of them. and they could easily tack on a few hours taking back roads to the non interstate roads.

if the tractor goes on road = paying regular diesel road tax. if tractor never ends on a road, you can get off road diesel. meaning traveling on a trailer is safe just as long as the tractor wheels themselves do not end up on the road.

20 miles to me actually seems extremely short. and would assume if for commercial work. more like 1 hour to 2 hour max drive radius doing 55mph.

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on other hand i am still with ya. if only use every now and then. just hiring out someone else to pick it up and delivered. and reverse to get it back to the shop, but there are time restraints, of folks not showing up when ya need them to. and setting around wasting time and cash.

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but if jaspell has a TLB tractor loader/backhoe. i am going to assume hauling dirt, rock and like. and i would assume a dump truck or like. would become double duty for those things. a good trailer, to haul pallets of different material as well. such as culverts, brick, stone, large reels of hose / pipe. that would be rather odd ball trying to put in back of a pickup truck or back of a dump truck.

 

[whodat526]

if the tractor goes on road = paying regular diesel road tax. if tractor never ends on a road, you can get off road diesel. meaning traveling on a trailer is safe just as long as the tractor wheels themselves do not end up on the road.
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so your saying if a farmer gets on the road with his tractor to go to another field he must run on road diesel. i dont believe that but i could be wrong

 

[boggen]

so your saying if a farmer gets on the road with his tractor to go to another field he must run on road diesel. i dont believe that but i could be wrong

Illinois law, they don't necessarily have to run on road diesel. but require to pay road tax. while on road. and i don't remember any mention of a farm wavier either. but more specifically applied to all machinery construction to farm.

granted a farm tractor will see 90% usage in field. but that 10% or rather miles on road = ya suppose to pay the road tax for being on the road.

this even applies to just crossing an ally from driveway to driveway directly across from each other. even if you or company owns both properties. = ya gotta pay the road tax for time on the road. even if it is only 10 feet at a time.

there were a few examples in the IL compiled statues. which came to a surprise to me of actually seeing examples. when i looked up codes to see about off road diesel storage tanks, and usage just a couple months ago.

 

[whodat526]

Illinois law, they don't necessarily have to run on road diesel. but require to pay road tax. while on road. and i don't remember any mention of a farm wavier either. but more specifically applied to all machinery construction to farm.

granted a farm tractor will see 90% usage in field. but that 10% or rather miles on road = ya suppose to pay the road tax for being on the road.

this even applies to just crossing an ally from driveway to driveway directly across from each other. even if you or company owns both properties. = ya gotta pay the road tax for time on the road. even if it is only 10 feet at a time.

there were a few examples in the IL compiled statues. which came to a surprise to me of actually seeing examples. when i looked up codes to see about off road diesel storage tanks, and usage just a couple months ago.

im glad in louisiana it aint like that i dont see how they figure the miles spent on the road and i wonder how many people really pay the tax that seems like something that couldn't be enforced to easily

 

[Diamondpilot]

im glad in louisiana it aint like that i dont see how they figure the miles spent on the road and i wonder how many people really pay the tax that seems like something that couldn't be enforced to easily

I am sure this is the law everywhere but how is it enforced. I was just in Philly last week and was talking boats with a few guys who had them docked at Atlantic City. They run HHO in boats and have for years because its cheaper. No marine tax.

Chris

 

[boggen]

forgive the side tracking.

i did look up, some things on google. and remember seeing companies running forklifts, big off road trucks, etc... across a road and damaging the road pretty good (pot holes, cracks,etc...) and DOT showing up or who ever does the checking. and handing out fines. both for machinery and regular pickup trucks and like.

if they want to get nasty and nail ya to the wall. or simply add on more tickets. i am sure they can come up with a way.