Hub Spacers?

[Nuru]

I reversed my wheels on my 4310 yesterday to add clearance for chains and also to gain some additional stability on the hill. The rears gained roughly an inch to an inch and a quarter on each side - not much but every bit helps I guess. The front wheels gained several inches - eyeballing it I'd guess 3-4. on each side. So as some have said, reversing the rears doesn't gain a lot but it is a noticeable difference driving, especially with having swapped the front wheels. I took it up on the hill after doing the job and I felt a lot more comfortable traversing the slope when turning, and it was not just my imagination - the tiltmeter mounted on the hood showed a smaller degree of slope.

The front wheels stick out a touch more than the rears after the switch so it looks a bit weird for the first few minutes.

The nice thing aside from stability changes is that it makes it a lot easier to get to the grease fittings on the front. Access to the valve stems for air in the back is degraded but not very bad.

With fluid in the rears it is definitely a two-person job, but was done in about 1 hour with a hydraulic jack under the drawbar and a jackstand. The tractor did shift quite a bit when removing the wheels so a pre-positioned jackstand is a must-have item, especially with the fluid in the rears.

Swapping the front wheels was about a 10-minute job for one person.

md03, Interesting as when I went to look at mine, i did notice the same thing you did for the fronts, but the backs also came out about 3 inches. B4 they were about 1 inch past the fenders, when reversed they were about 3 inches?

As far as changing from narrow to wide, Same experience 3 years ago on my 4100. As soon as we took off one rear we determined quickly we needed another jackstand, as it started to tip. So when I got my 4100's rears loaded. I set stands into a position where I could get them beneath both axles quick and used the floor jack beneath the drawbar area and went up and set the rea of the tractor on the jackstands once they were in position. Went to get the tirees loaded and then came back and put them on. worked pretty well. If I get the 4310's rears loaded. I will might drive it up there as the tire place that loads tires with used antifreeze is pretty close - within 2 miles, and there are multiple traffic lights to get there. BTW, do you know how much the rears might weigh loaded?

 

[RoyJackson]

"md03, Interesting as when I went to look at mine, i did notice the same thing you did for the fronts, but the backs also came out about 3 inches. B4 they were about 1 inch past the fenders, when reversed they were about 3 inches?"

This should not be too surprising. The difference would depend upon the offset of the rims on your particular tractor. Ag rims differ from Industrials. I think turf rims are more comparable to Industrials, but I could be wrong.
Even comparing one 4310 to another...that would depend if both machines came with the stock tires/rims (no optional tire/rim combo).

Nuru, how does the tractor feel to you now?
Also, if you know the rear tire size, I may still have a table listing liquid content for a given tire size (was posted on TBN a few years ago). I'd attach it, but it's not on this laptop I'm working with right now.
You'd have to determine which liquid and the weight per gallon of that liquid.

 

[Nuru]

"md03, Interesting as when I went to look at mine, i did notice the same thing you did for the fronts, but the backs also came out about 3 inches. B4 they were about 1 inch past the fenders, when reversed they were about 3 inches?"

This should not be too surprising. The difference would depend upon the offset of the rims on your particular tractor. Ag rims differ from Industrials. I think turf rims are more comparable to Industrials, but I could be wrong.
Even comparing one 4310 to another...that would depend if both machines came with the stock tires/rims (no optional tire/rim combo).

Nuru, how does the tractor feel to you now?
Also, if you know the rear tire size, I may still have a table listing liquid content for a given tire size (was posted on TBN a few years ago). I'd attach it, but it's not on this laptop I'm working with right now.
You'd have to determine which liquid and the weight per gallon of that liquid.

Roy, it did not get back yet. Had a bent part that I wanted replaced and since it was there , I just had them fix it. They also adjusted the blade/loader combo and did a spring service. i should get it back this week and i will let you know! I am still considering those spacers!

 

[Nuru]

"md03, Interesting as when I went to look at mine, i did notice the same thing you did for the fronts, but the backs also came out about 3 inches. B4 they were about 1 inch past the fenders, when reversed they were about 3 inches?"

This should not be too surprising. The difference would depend upon the offset of the rims on your particular tractor. Ag rims differ from Industrials. I think turf rims are more comparable to Industrials, but I could be wrong.
Even comparing one 4310 to another...that would depend if both machines came with the stock tires/rims (no optional tire/rim combo).

Nuru, how does the tractor feel to you now?
Also, if you know the rear tire size, I may still have a table listing liquid content for a given tire size (was posted on TBN a few years ago). I'd attach it, but it's not on this laptop I'm working with right now.
You'd have to determine which liquid and the weight per gallon of that liquid.

My tires are:
27x8.5-15
41 x 14-20 R3

I would rather have:
25-10.50 LLx15 Golf
41 LLx18-16.1 Golf

 

[RoyJackson]

My tires are:
27x8.5-15
41 x 14-20 R3

I would rather have:
25-10.50 LLx15 Golf
41 LLx18-16.1 Golf

Hi Nuru,
Here's the table I wrote about.
Unfortunately, it doesn't list the sizes you put on your post. My apologies!
But, it may give an approximation of how much weight you can expect. Remember, most liquids will be heavier then water.

 

[Nuru]

Hi Nuru,
Here's the table I wrote about.
Unfortunately, it doesn't list the sizes you put on your post. My apologies!
But, it may give an approximation of how much weight you can expect. Remember, most liquids will be heavier then water.

Thanks Roy. BTW the blade issue was a loader arm adjustment. So my 4310 will be back tomorrow or Thursday. Then I get to test it on the slopes at my location.

 

[Nuru]

Hi Nuru,
Here's the table I wrote about.
Unfortunately, it doesn't list the sizes you put on your post. My apologies!
But, it may give an approximation of how much weight you can expect. Remember, most liquids will be heavier then water.

Roy, BTW, i just completed a deal where I am getting those tires i wanted for $700 bucks with rims included - low usage under 20 hours too. So now i will have:

for the winter ops
27x8.5-15
41 x 14-20 R3

and for the summer ops including mowing;

25-10.50 LLx15 Golf
41 LLx18-16.1 Golf

Yes I am Happy, very happy. These will also help on the slopes being they widen the stance further. Now i gotta figure how to get them to the house and on the tractor b4 the wife see em' i did get them cheap - i looked up just the rims and they were over $700 just for them. The rear tires were higher than that locally.

 

[Nuru]

Roy, BTW, i just completed a deal where I am getting those tires i wanted for $700 bucks with rims included - low usage under 20 hours too. So now i will have:

for the winter ops
27x8.5-15
41 x 14-20 R3

and for the summer ops including mowing;

25-10.50 LLx15 Golf
41 LLx18-16.1 Golf

Yes I am Happy, very happy. These will also help on the slopes being they widen the stance further. Now i gotta figure how to get them to the house and on the tractor b4 the wife see em' i did get them cheap - i looked up just the rims and they were over $700 just for them. The rear tires were higher than that locally.

Gee I did not realize i never responded back on this. Well the Turf Specials worked out fine, and now I have a 3520 cab and am looking to get more stability just like Dirt was able to to do. i still have the Turf Specials but I have a clearance problem with the MMM, using the fronts with the MMM on is an issue and adding spacers is not going to happpen on the fronts, however it may make it work on the back? Checked with Deee and they said don't do it? Which seemed mighty strange as I am only consiedering the rears for the hub extensions? Anyone know why there is a concern?

 

[AKfish]

That's interesting... Deere said it wasn't recommended (wheel spacers)? Why would Deere offer R1's with 8 different spacing's?

That's why I went (one of the reason's) with new R1's and rims on my old 970. I gained about 4 inches in height and about 4 inches in width over my 44x18x20 R3's with the rims set out to the widest setting.

I'm gonna have to get some wheel spacers for my new JD110. My heavy tire changes won't clear the fenders. And the R4's are just about worthless in snow and ice...

Last quote I got from Unverferth was $800 thru the local JD dealer. Whew... that seems alot for a round chunk of steel with some holes drilled in it!

I noticed that dirtworksequipment has his wheel spacers for sale (3520). He might still have 'em.

AKfish

 

[Nuru]

That's interesting... Deere said it wasn't recommended (wheel spacers)? Why would Deere offer R1's with 8 different spacing's?

That's why I went (one of the reason's) with new R1's and rims on my old 970. I gained about 4 inches in height and about 4 inches in width over my 44x18x20 R3's with the rims set out to the widest setting.

I'm gonna have to get some wheel spacers for my new JD110. My heavy tire changes won't clear the fenders. And the R4's are just about worthless in snow and ice...

Last quote I got from Unverferth was $800 thru the local JD dealer. Whew... that seems alot for a round chunk of steel with some holes drilled in it!

I noticed that dirtworksequipment has his wheel spacers for sale (3520). He might still have 'em.

AKfish

Akfish; I thought he actually pulled them from sale? Did he put them back?

I think they wrapped around the axle about me asking to use spacers to make the MMM work with those tires - dunno what JD was saying about the RFM path, just that they were saying yesterday and the day before that spacers are not cool - could violate warranty.