I have read that ssqa designs give up 4"-6" compared to pin-on designs. When I was doing the euro style quick attach, the distance from front plate to pin centerline was 3.5". That is about the minimum possible, given need to accommodate rotation of the loader arm tip behind the front plate. On this ssqa, that distance is 4.25". It is more because of the ssqa lower lip design. There is about 1/8" clearance between the loader arm tip and the lower lip as the mechanism rotates. I could have got back down to 3.5" by lowering the bucket in relation to the loader pin, making the lower ssqa lip below the loader arm. But, the vertical location is dictated by bucket design. There is about 5.25" between lower pin centerline and bottom of bucket, at ground level, on the factory bucket, and I wanted to have the same distance on the ssqa.