Hydraulic Submersible Pumps

[bmaverick]

I went to their link but didn't see it. That's a lot of water, but is about typical for the flow rate that those hydraulic submersible pumps put at low pressure - like pumping out a pond or pool.
Running sprinklers needs more pressure, which means less flow rate. But still a lot of water moved.
I keep coming back to 200 gpm at about 50/60 psi is what is needed.

50/60psi and a 200FT below the ground is my well pump. hmmm

 

[rScotty]

50/60psi and a 200FT below the ground is my well pump. hmmm

Yes, that would be typical of a good household submersible well pump on 220V. How many gpm do you think your well pump puts out at that psi?

 

[MossRoad]

I went to their link but didn't see it. That's a lot of water, but is about typical for the flow rate that those hydraulic submersible pumps put at low pressure - like pumping out a pond or pool.
Running sprinklers needs more pressure, which means less flow rate. But still a lot of water moved.
I keep coming back to 200 gpm at about 50/60 psi is what is needed.

It's listed in their price sheets.

 

[jonsstihl]

sounds like you are designing a fire suppression sprinkler system. your 1/2 inch solids would probably plug up sprinklers. maybe you could run it in zones with a manifold to reduce the flow required by the system.

 

[bmaverick]

sounds like you are designing a fire suppression sprinkler system. your 1/2 inch solids would probably plug up sprinklers. maybe you could run it in zones with a manifold to reduce the flow required by the system.

He does live out in CO. And fires out there are often enough. I can now realistically understand the need.

 

[Smokeydog]

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Often show up used on govdeals. Local fellow had one for over a year on marketplace $200 obo but just checked and no longer listed.

 

[rScotty]

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FLU419 Stanley Hydraulic 3" Water Pump. This is a must have for your FLU419!

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Often show up used on govdeals. Local fellow had one for over a year on marketplace $200 obo but just checked and no longer listed.

Yep. That's the right type of pump. Though that one is sort of an oddball, though it could be made to work. Those submersible pumps just never got to be popular. There are marine versions which are used for washing down tankers and as bilge pumps on big ships.

I wonder if 4wd TLBs are why we don't hear much about UniMogs anymore?

 

[Smokeydog]

Several listed with brands like Stanley or Greenly. Used by utilities to dewater underground services. Often have compatible hydraulic chainsaw, cutoff saw, hammer, etc. Definitely a safety factor over electric or gas powered for personal.

They do show up used, usually dirty out of utility vehicle sales. Getting them before they are sold as scrap the trick.

Have a soft spot for Unimogs. Got to operate a loader/backhoe version at ORNL rigged to be fully remote controlled. Experimental UXO or mine detection and recovery. Long before the current drone capabilities.

 

[leonz]

The major issue using one of these hydraulic pumps is a hydraulic oil leak
frying the tractor and polluting the water.

The HALE SUPERCHIEF floating fire pump works in 3 inches of water.
It has a 2.5 inch connection and will pump 420 gallons per minute at
50 PSI.

Right now it is $4,055.00 plus tax and freight from the folks at FELD FIRE.
The current price is 10% off.

Resistance to fluid flow creates pressure.

This HALE self priming centrifugal pump can pump water 20 feet up hill @ 50 PSIG
if that is what your major concern is.

If you are using this water to irrigate crop land using rotating gun type sprinklers
and aluminum delivery pipe you are going to need much more flow per second.
The small traveling reel type sprinklers have smaller hoses and rain guns.

Is there any reason you cannot use a portable fire pond at the upper elevation?


Please tell me more about what you think your needs are.

 

[rScotty]

The major issue using one of these hydraulic pumps is a hydraulic oil leak
frying the tractor and polluting the water.

The HALE SUPERCHIEF floating fire pump works in 3 inches of water.
It has a 2.5 inch connection and will pump 420 gallons per minute at
50 PSI.

Right now it is $4,055.00 plus tax and freight from the folks at FELD FIRE.
The current price is 10% off.

Resistance to fluid flow creates pressure.

This HALE self priming centrifugal pump can pump water 20 feet up hill @ 50 PSIG
if that is what your major concern is.

If you are using this water to irrigate crop land using rotating gun type sprinklers
and aluminum delivery pipe you are going to need much more flow per second.
The small traveling reel type sprinklers have smaller hoses and rain guns.

Is there any reason you cannot use a portable fire pond at the upper elevation?


Please tell me more about what you think your needs are.

Leonz, you raise some interesting questions.
The pump needs to pump 30 feet uphill to be usable - and then have enough pressure to run several rotating nozzles with 3/8" nozzles to cover several hundred feet.
As nice as the Hale looks, I was hoping for something with about double the SuperChief's capacity.

Local water sources here are used by a number of traditional mining and other businesses. Including a lot of irrigated agriculture. This is a larger stream and can support the use, but I do not know what the requirements are for isolating or maintaining a submersible hydraulic pump.
It may be that some amount of isolation or inspection are needed. Thanks for the input, the submersible idea definitely needs looking into before going any farther with this project.
rScotty