Hydraulics question

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Ym1401King

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Yanmar 1401
I know that this has been asked before, but for me, I have a quick question. Let me preface this with saying that I know little about hydraulics. I am considering adding a loader to my YM1401, but I need the divide block with the outlet, and to know what are the parameters on the system. It says that it has a working pressure of 1565 psi. But what are the gpms?

Help.

Aric
 
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depends on RPM and pump condition but 2 to 4GPM.
 
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Can I get the divider block or whatever is needed to connect to the hydraulics supply and make this system work?

Aric
 
   / Hydraulics question #4  
You have an open center hydraulic system. The pump volume is adequate to run a loader. One good way to tap into the system is to cut the smaller (pressure) line coming off the pump and install a compression fitting and run that line up to the loader valve. Come out of the valve back down to the tractor line that you cut and connect with another compression fitting. This makes a "loop" where the pressure runs through the valve, and when the valve is activated, it diverts flow to the appropriate ram. You can also use 3 lines and a power-beyond, but this is simple and works with the correct valve.

Warnings: If you hook it up wrong and deadhead the pump, it will ruin the pump in about 2 seconds. Sometimes you get lucky and only shear a key.

This tractor will be unstable with a loader. You will have to ballast the rear a lot. If it is a 2wd (no "D"), you will notice a loss of traction because of the weigh on the front and consequently transferred off the rear.

I have 2 really nice YM1401's in stock and I will not install loaders on them for safety reasons. Perhaps if you got a real light loader and sized the rams down, or regulated the pressure to keep the maximum lift down you would be ok. On a short wheelbase narrow tractor, you must really watch the rollover potential. The tractor weighs about 1100lbs, a decent loader like a Koyker 110 weighs about 600 with brackets and bucket, so we have a total of about 1700 lbs, most forward. The bucket will lift nearly 1000lbs. If you have it lifted high and get on a small slope or drop a tire into a rut, you are going to roll. Be careful!
 
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Dave's right about being careful with a loader on a 1401d. If its not 4wd, we don't put loaders on them. But I have sold over a dozen 1401d's WITH loaders this year. We put one on with a 42" wide bucket, NOT 48". I always stress to the customer about weighting the rear. (put concrete blocks on the box scraper, fill the rear tires with liquid, move them as far out as possible, pump the fronts to 30 psi, keep the load LOW when traveling, and don't load the bucket full if its sand, dirt or gravel. And go SLOW, especially down hill. Lots of guys on this board have 1401's with loaders. If you want a digital pic of the hydraulic tap in, let me know.
Jim
 
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I am using weights that are fabricated by the plan builder. If you want to see his weights, here is the web site, and loader plans.

http://www.p.f.engineering.50megs.com

The loader is intended for garden tractors, but should work great for this tractor. I am adding either 3 or 4 of the weights that he has there. I made an adapter that mounts to my 3-pt that holds the weights. I would however like the digital picture of the hydraulic tie in. I also want to be able to use the 3-pt up and down while the loader is on. I am actually thinking of using something else instead of the loader. Here is the web site for it. I will make my own. This seems a lot safer. www.johnnybucket.com He has the johnny bucket there that mounts to the 3-pt and is in essence multipurpose tool, for carrying, pushing dirt, grading dirt, and whatever you please. I already have 160 lbs on my front end right now. Will add more later when needed. I am not getting angry, but some people told me NOT to buy this tractor and I am VERY HAPPY with its performance and the quality of machine that I have. Wouldn't trade it for any other Yanny out there, even if it was for free.

Aric
 
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I'm just going to echo what these other guys have said. I've got a 1401D with a 48" bucket, and the loader will handle WAY more than the tractor will. With my box scraper on, it can handle about 400 pounds or so. In retrospect, maybe a 42" bucket would be better, but I've done a lot of work with my machine. And if I've got a load in the bucket, the tractor won't go anywhere unless I'm in 4WD. If things go well with my new business, I hope to upgrade to a 17XX-18XX size machine with powershift and the same size loader.
 
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I keep a 1401d at the house with a loader that I use 3-4 times a week for moving sand and horse manure. 400 lbs is about max, but with a couple of kids on the box scraper, last year I pulled a engine with trans out of a 71 Chevelle!
Like Hosejockey, I've moved a lot of material in the last 2 years. Great machines. I will try to post a pic of the hydraulic tie in for you tonight. Is your 1401 a 4x4 (1401d)?
Jim
 
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Aric, the YM1401 is a very nice machine. Smooth running 3-cylinder that acts like it has even more power than it does. Nobody is knocking the machine, we are just wanting to keep you from rolling it over, or from investing a lot of money and being dissapointed. Sounds like you understand the weight/ballast issues and have got things figured out.
 
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Hosejockey, even a YM1610D is way better with a loader. It is almost 18" longer, plus weighs a few hundred pounds more. The extra length works as leverage making the rear of the tractor into better ballast. One of our most popular selling tractors lately has been the FX18D. It is a little bigger and heavier (not much) than the YM18xxD size, and does great with a loader. More money though.
 

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