Hydrofracing

[dmccarty]

I was reading a thread on a beer making website about water quality. These guys can get a bit obsessive about beer making and I think they can go about overboard in water chemistry. There are programs/spreadsheets out there that will take the data from your water sample and tell you what chemicals to add to duplicate a water used in a brewery in Europe so you can try to copy that particular beer.

Actually, if I had the time, I would be going overboard myself. :laughing:

I was reading the discussion because we needed to get our well water tested. Our county will do this now but it is a PITA to deal with them. Figured the beer guys would be using a good lab thus my reading.

One of the interesting tid bits that popped up was from a beer making well driller. He said that he had drilled numerous wells over the years that hit flammable gas. They would fill up plastic bags with the gas, let them float in the air and light them on fire so they would go boom. I bet right before the let the bags, someone said, "Hey watch this!"

In South FLA the greenies prevented Broward county from dumping treated waste water into the Gulf Stream. As a result the county dug a very deep well. They use this well to INJECT the treated waste water into one of the deeply buried aquifers well under the aquifers used by wells. They have been doing this for a couple of decades now.

I wanted a cistern instead of a well when we built our place but I figured we would have to fight too much with the county and the bank so I left it alone. With a cistern we wold have clean water and I would not have to worry about the well. Even in a power failure we could still get water.

Later,
Dan

 

[looknlearn]

For fu€ks sake, we're why they're drilling everywhere... Don't you people get it? It's our demand that keeps them drilling... Only, we want them in someone else's backyard...

I agree. If we could reduce or even stop our addiction to oil, there wouldn't be the need for Fracking. Our family has tried but it is hard because of the way the US is set up. We moved to the city and have ridden bicycles for anything within city. Because of the way jobs are set up now, it is almost impossible to wean ourselves off of oil. My dad travels an hour to work and that is almost the norm for the US.

Oil is a finite resource and the question isn't, will it run out, it is when will it run out. It may be in 10 years or 100 years, and when it does, and if we don't start to wean ourselves off it, life will come to a halt and it will be living h**l for a while. But instead of slowing down we are just coming up with more ways to get the last bits out of the earth, at the expense of the planet. The phrase," Don't s**t where you sleep" comes to mind. We are s**ting in our drinking water, lakes, the oceans, the air, just to sip at the last puddles of oil so we can keep going at this pace. When the oil is gone what will we have gained in the end and what will our children have to live with. I think if gas prices went to ten or 15 dollars a gallon, people will reconsider and will be forced to wean themselves off of oil but it will be some rough times and our house well not be immune.

I just got a truck for moving materials for our little operation and because my knees are wearing out and can't handle much bicycling anymore. We also use my garden tractors for working our large garden.

 

[Short Game]

There is word that phosgene gas is being handled in Central Arkansas, and possibly being put into injection wells. I have been told that the symptoms of phosgene poisoning resemble just the type of blunt force injury symptoms the dead birds had, massive hemorrhaging in the chest cavities, pulmonary edema.

 

[RoyJackson]

There is word that phosgene gas is being handled in Central Arkansas, and possibly being put into injection wells. I have been told that the symptoms of phosgene poisoning resemble just the type of blunt force injury symptoms the dead birds had, massive hemorrhaging in the chest cavities.

Source of this information?

 

[Short Game]

After minimal searching:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/28/us/28brfs-DISPOSALWELL_BRF.html?_r=1

Global Rumblings: Fracking the Life out of Arkansas and Beyond

Quakes in Ohio too:

State links quakes to work on wells | The Columbus Dispatch

Oklahoma:

11/6/2011 — Evidence that Oklahoma is having a MAN MADE earthquake swarm = induced seismicity (FRACKING) | ?????????? = ??????????

Whole lotta shakin' goin' on:

Natural-gas production linked to quakes in England, Arkansas, and North Texas, but more study needed - News and Politics - San Antonio Current

 

[Short Game]

I keep finding this name in searches: "John P Wheeler III." He seems to have turned up dead after last year's bird and fish kills. Not saying anything about that. Just bringing it up here.

 

[kensnelling]

After minimal searching:



Oklahoma:

11/6/2011 Evidence that Oklahoma is having a MAN MADE earthquake swarm = induced seismicity (FRACKING) | ?????????? = ??????????

I won't reference the other areas you mentioned, but after the big (to us) earthquake in 2010 I did a bit of research on earthquakes in Oklahoma, and that research revealed that activity has NOT increased in OK, that since the late 50's we have experienced dozens of quakes every year, and with the exception of 2011 our largest quakes happened in the 20's and 30's. Before fracking.

My well, I wouldn't have drank from it or any well in this area even before I'd heard of fracking. With all the shallow coal deposits, and other minerals, the wells around here are good for outside watering only. My well dates from 1970, sour from day one. Others in this area from the 30's to 60's are all supposed to have been bad for drinking from day one.

Also, how come no one has mentioned the Broken Arrow bird kill in 04/11? (hint: it was widely witnessed and had nothing to do with the petroleum industry)

I respectfully suggest doing more than minimal searches, and try using the library more than just the internet. I found more intelligent data both for and against my points in the library than on the pro/con internet sites.

Ken

 

[greasemonkeyok]

Not only have they been fracing for decades, but the completion techniques to protect the ground water have improved significantly. But that info is not nearly as exciting as claiming that fracing in PA squirted frac fluids underground all the way into your water well in Oklahoma Ken, and caused the earth to shake.

 

[k0ua]

Not only have they been fracing for decades, but the completion techniques to protect the ground water have improved significantly. But that info is not nearly as exciting as claiming that fracing in PA squirted frac fluids underground all the way into your water well in Oklahoma Ken, and caused the earth to shake.

Yeah not to mention all the Phosgene gas that came back up and killed all of those birds..sheesh..


James K0UA

 

[beppington]

Not only have they been fracing for decades, but the completion techniques to protect the ground water have improved significantly. But that info is not nearly as exciting as claiming that fracing in PA squirted frac fluids underground all the way into your water well in Oklahoma Ken, and caused the earth to shake.

It reads as though you're in favor of fracking, in that you seem to imply that since it's been done for decades it must be OK. Well, plenty of people smoke cigarettes for decades - Do you think that's OK? And, if fracking has been OK for all these decades, why have they bothered to 'significantly improve the completion techniques to protect the ground water'?

I'm sure we do need this natural gas, but I don't believe the methods used to get it are harmless.