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/ Hydrofracing #141  
To hear the greenies tell it, the world will end if we have fracking. Of course the world is going to end if we have coal burning or nuke power plants. We can't have gas either though it was funny I just read of a greenie say to USE gas over Nukes. :D

I know danged well if we do not have power and energy it will be ugly. That bothers me more than fracking.

Later,
Dan

When they stop the power, then all of it will be Totally messed up. How much gas would it take to replace Muke Power???Too much, they should have read up on KW output from Nukes?? Tenn. is starting to build a fresh one, it has been a long time since Tva started theirs...But they Bury their waste out west in deep salt mines. I had always hoped they could recycle some of the spent rods, back into power circle?
 
/ Hydrofracing #142  
I really do think the fracking companies...

Later,
Dan

For those of you who were "Battlestar Galactica" (new series from 2004-2008?), "Fracking" (may have been spelled "frakking") was the term used instead of our favorite 4 letter word not used in polite society.
 
/ Hydrofracing #143  
How could go wrong. Easy failure to purchase land when it was 50 bucks and acre now over 3K .
The gas companys have also paid for the rebuilding of county roads Added black top for width and new culverts for drainage of the right of way.

That may have been the case, where folks could have purchased large tracts years ago, however, that is not the case here, typical ag land is selling between 2-5k an acre..before the gas boom. Therefore, someoe drilling on 20 acres can easily effect the values of nearby owners properties, those large tracts are not as common here as they are in texas and arkansas. I have a lot of family in arkansas, and am aware of some lease prices in the magnolia area, I am also familiar with the large tracts of family owned properties, and paper company tracts. What is good for ya'll is not always the best thing for everyone else.

Referring to gas companies making new roads and maintaining roads, I am sure a majority of that maintence, is payed for by GAS TAXES, implemented by the state. Currently we are the only state in the union not to tax gas, therefore, we pay for road repairs from state and local taxes, all the while we cut education.


All the gas men coming into the area are building new houses to live in. College is teaching gas industry courses and the men that take the coures are hired at a wage well above the normal adverage.
Town of Conway now has a growth that is the fastest growing city in This part of the nation.
including all the towns along the highways.

This will be short lived, much like the gas boom in houston of the 70's and 80's. Once the drilling is completed, the locals will be held to the new tax base, then where ya gonna find the money? Its short lived income for the area. It will be a matter of time for the boom to settle, then you and your family will be holding the bag, higher taxes, combined with potential health effects from the ones that did as they pleased and got away with it, as some have stated here, the lesser known companies with little to loose.


Maybe you think it should of been turned down so we could go back to a rural low income blited part of the state.
From my looking at PA. is there any part of Western of the state the coal companys have not trashed.with waste dumps and old looking towns. lack of tree and grass.
ken

That is the point, Pennsylvania has already seen the coal boom, we know first hand how the coal companies sold it to the land owners, the same way the gas compaies are selling it, they took what they wanted, then left the sate in the mess its in, we have lived the dream 50 years ago only to see the lasting effects. We have heard it all before how good it is. And quite honestly, the long term effects on peoples health, property values, and the environment outweigh any short term gains, except for 1% who profit.
 
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/ Hydrofracing #146  
If you're referring to Pennsylvania, the area is around a town called Centralia.
Here's one link (first one I picked on Google, but probably not the best one):
Centralia PA Mine Fire - Coal Burning underground, Homes destroyed

Roy, Right again, I had no thought of it for a long time. But not to worry, they mined the coal and took care of the situation there....We have a lot of Gravel pits around here. The land looks a s good or better after it is reclaimed. Ususally several big lakes are formed...l
 
/ Hydrofracing #147  
As I'm writing this, a guy from the West Virginia Department of Environmental Protection is walking around our rig checking things out.

I guess he didn't get the memo that everything we do is top secret and the government never checks on us to insure the rules are being followed.
 
/ Hydrofracing #148  
As I'm writing this, a guy from the West Virginia Department of Environmental Protection is walking around our rig checking things out.

I guess he didn't get the memo that everything we do is top secret and the government never checks on us to insure the rules are being followed.

You'd better get your Blackwater hired thugs to take care of this guy...
 
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#149  
Thanks for the Invite Ken. :D

Seeing as I'm being coherced to make an Oklahoma trip travelling through your state may be a possibility.:)

The Nova Scotia South Shore region I live in is also pretty nice!:thumbsup:
 
/ Hydrofracing #150  
Thanks for the Invite Ken. :D

Seeing as I'm being coherced to make an Oklahoma trip travelling through your state may be a possibility.:)

The Nova Scotia South Shore region I live in is also pretty nice!:thumbsup:

What part of Oklahoma, Egon? I was born near Ardmore and lived in Oklahoma until I was almost 17. Now live about 80 miles south of Ardmore.
 
/ Hydrofracing #151  
When they stop the power, then all of it will be Totally messed up. How much gas would it take to replace Muke Power???Too much, they should have read up on KW output from Nukes?? Tenn. is starting to build a fresh one, it has been a long time since Tva started theirs...But they Bury their waste out west in deep salt mines. I had always hoped they could recycle some of the spent rods, back into power circle?

Some nuke waste can be reused to generate power.

The salt mine out west is still closed. The US Taxpayer spent some big bucks for the repository but the various interests have kept the nuke plant wastes at the power plants instead of in the far safer storage out west.

I think we need nuke power on the other hand I do not think we should be building nuke plants based on the old designs. There seem to be better, meaning safer designs, out there but two new plants just go approved down in GA using older designs. The old designs are just too complicated, too expensive, and too prone to failure/problems.

What people do not realize is how big a pollution problem there was from horses in the cities. There were a lot of street sweepers cleaning up after the horses. I guess that would be a shovel AND broom ready job. :laughing: The horse poo then had to be disposed of, which in the case of NYC, meant tossing into the Hudson. Now a days we would compost the poo. Another problem with horses and mules for transportation is that they spew lots of methane and CO2. Which is why many greenies are against meat consumption. Cattle and pigs produce green house gases therefore we should not eat meat. Me? I like me some steak and bacon. :D

Later,
Dan
 
/ Hydrofracing #152  
I'm sure 98% of the fluid is H2O...but it's the 2% that could kill you...


Roy I think the numbers are even better.

ogontz12hfrackfluidrangeresorses.jpg


FR-200W Frac Tech Reduces Friction FR-200W NA 0.00% 0.04600%


is the highest one chemical in the blend. at 0.046% by volume


tom



I just added them up and got 0.080147% by volume

not that i would want to drink any of them but that isn't much
 
/ Hydrofracing #153  
Where did the trash come from maybe all the housing construction of building new sub divisions. in Cabot and Bebee. Areas.
Where does the word "Phosegene Gas" come from never hear it mentioned in conversation here. But then only have lived here since 1948.
ken

What, I did not say anything about trash. Building, just because a F-5 tornado has hit Beebe several years ago..?? Then Vilonia? The gas reference was back several pages. This post moves quick and sometimes i get 'Behind" reading them. I like Conway and visit Magazine Mountain when i want to spend the night. A beautiful place...Traffic has been safe on HWY.64 for some time now..Btw can you tell me how deep Greers ferry is now? Another pristine example of a nice vacation spot..[/QUOTE]

The lake is full and the fish are big and happy Bass boats running.
Trout below the dam are not having problems with water quality.
Try Petit Jean also built on top of mountain near Morrilton. lodge has been added on with great eating resturant. excellant rv camping site.
 
/ Hydrofracing #154  
your knowledge of Pennsylvania is not accurate, I do not know about the western part of the state around Pittsburgh so I will not make a comment about that part of the state. The area around Scranton and wilkes barre is coal country and has problems in my opinion. I do not want to start a fight with the coal miners. The central part of the state was a different story, we had miles of unbroken forest areas because of the steepness had not been logged for many years. Large trees very few roads just a few paved roads mostly state forest land. we had logging but even tho it looked bad after within a few years it was dense thicket. A typical day you might hear 1 or 2 logging trucks pass by when they were in the area. Now we have caravans of 5 to 6 dump trucks running night and day. After them comes the tank trucks and the drill rigs. drill rigs are the least of the problem because they do not move around very often. I can see that in some areas perhaps over in Scranton locals are hired because they can run heavy equipment. The area I am in has an industry of camp grounds and various outdoor activities. Before you attack that why should a company hire someone without the required abilities I am not saying that just explaining the area. Now that the gas industry has arrived the people we depend on for our economy are dwindling because of the noise and traffic and the bright lights at night from the drilling rigs. This piece of information comes from the local bar and grill owner, I asked if his business was better and he said the hunting season was still ok but the summer camper season had been poor. Just so I cover my A** from attacks politicians may consider williamsport to be in the area, I do not, it is a 45 minute drive oneway. Most of the property in my area is owned by the state there are a few large tracks of private property that i am sure someone will pop up and say how much money they are making but most is state owned. I admit to being angry because the area may not ever recover in my lifetime.

lockhavan I have driven a good portion of Penn. mostly northern and central going to dairy cattle auctions. the interstate from Ohio across the state truck traffic is heavy with unidentify the company think coal or iron ore trucks with double trailer a traveling greatly in excess of speed limit. in convoys of 6 or more. All the traffic of cars and small trucks stayed in right lane and these large trucks passed shaking the leaves on the trees. So we got off on the back roads to get where we were headed. Nothing shakes a load of cows like a line of trucks going past. Is your state getting the proceeds of the mineral rights. Here the state forrestry and game and fish and state are cross wise the state thinks it can handle the money better.
One side of my Grand parents came from Western Pa. health effected by black lung .
Also remember Don't get angry just get even. and when some gets to you make sure the pay back is worse.
ken
 
/ Hydrofracing #156  
Ken, in the central part of the state where rt80 comes through you can get two entirely different views by just which way you turn off the interstate. some very large tracts of farm land clear as far as you can see, twenty minutes the other direction and you are in country that only has a few old family farms most of which are not working any longer. I guess tractors do not get along as well on the steep slopes as the horses did. In most all the valleys we have farms it is when you get into western Lycoming where I am and Clinton county that it is forest. We have three paved roads up on the mountain the rest are gravel or just dirt and mountain rock. Most of the coal I see is by rail running through Lock Haven when i go into the big city. To the best of my knowledge coal was never mined in the area I am in. My one neighbor is dying now from black lung he thought that by moving into the PA Wilds as the area is called he would feel better. I do not think that is the case but if it gives him some hope thats OK.
 
/ Hydrofracing #157  
Ken, I have been to petit jean mt.summit and fished the Little Red River. the trout there are really nice, water quality looks to be the best..Ark. is my home state and i have kin spread around...I hoped to move back after I retire, but with my son's living on this side of the Mississippi river, we might not do it? Seems some plans change pretty quick after 60yoa. I don't have any other complaints to regisiter about Fracking, but it has been one wild ride??? JY.
 
/ Hydrofracing #160  

Which actually is a town in Pennsylvania, but quite a bit south and east of where the fracking is going on...


Boy, how could I forget Frackville??? Got the tattoo on my chest (Eagle's Head in front of an American Flag) by Larry of Frackville. Boy, talk about one seriously drunk night (took 4 or 5 guys to get me in the car...no, I wasn't driving).
 
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