Hydrofracing

[Catfish Man]

I have problems with your broad generalizations, show me any industry that is full of angels.

1. I never said everyone in the industry is a college graduate

2. Large trucks are large, no matter who they work for, maybe you drive to fast for the conditions?

3. Jobs are available, if your neighbors are not going after them, that's their fault.

4. As I said, if you have strangers on your property from a gas company, call them and it will stop.

5. Realtors are not angels either, don't take everything they say at face value, if there is gas in your area, you can sell your land for more than it was worth before fracking came to town.

6. Your water tester is trying to sell you SOMETHING, there is not one documented case where it is proven that fracking contaminated a well, and fracking is not new technology.

7. No comment on this one, because I have no knowledge, sounds like you have some corrupt public officials.

8. Show me an industry with no illegal aliens

9. Who tried to get you to sign a contract? My guess it was a land grabber, they operate independently of the gas companies. They come in and buy up mineral rights for pennies on the dollar, to resale to the legitimate companies at a later date. They are common criminals.


Everyone in the Northeast US is watching the drilling and fracking close, no environmental laws are being broken. Most of us love the outdoors, we do not want to hurt the environment, even if no one was watching.

I have been on rigs in other countries working for a major US oil company, the country didn't care about the environment, we could have done major damage to the environment, but we operated at the same standards that we would have on US soil.

 

[joemd11]

The wife and I are grappling with this issue now. We have received numerous queries in the mail from the drillers to lease out land. Trying to gather factual info so we can make an intelligent decision. Unfortunately, Pa was caught flat footed with this shale gas boom so they have very little in the way of regulations. Seems to be no shortage of horror stories out there and I'd like to separate the "wheat from the chaff". We depend on a well for our water and I sure don't want that compromised. To me the crux of the problem is the frac fluid. The drillers don't divulge what chemicals are used in the process. So if you find that your well has been contaminated, how do you prove it was the from the drilling? Also, how do you obtain a baseline water analysis that will stand up in court in the event your well is contaminated? I don't know if any govt agency in my area does analysis for private wells. Sorry for rambling.

 

[murphy1244]

6. Your water tester is trying to sell you SOMETHING, there is not one documented case where it is proven that fracking contaminated a well, and fracking is not new technology.
In the great state of Ohio, ODNR is made up from guys from the gas industry
Do a search for Mark Mangan 44256 to see this Made up water problem. I catch on my land they will never see you again.
JOEM your county health department might ours does, And that baseline is exsactly what I done.

 

[murphy1244]

I have problems with your broad generalizations, show me any industry that is full of angels.

1. I never said everyone in the industry is a college graduate

2. Large trucks are large, no matter who they work for, maybe you drive to fast for the conditions?

3. Jobs are available, if your neighbors are not going after them, that's their fault.

4. As I said, if you have strangers on your property from a gas company, call them and it will stop.

5. Realtors are not angels either, don't take everything they say at face value, if there is gas in your area, you can sell your land for more than it was worth before fracking came to town.

6. Your water tester is trying to sell you SOMETHING, there is not one documented case where it is proven that fracking contaminated a well, and fracking is not new technology.

7. No comment on this one, because I have no knowledge, sounds like you have some corrupt public officials.

8. Show me an industry with no illegal aliens

9. Who tried to get you to sign a contract? My guess it was a land grabber, they operate independently of the gas companies. They come in and buy up mineral rights for pennies on the dollar, to resale to the legitimate companies at a later date. They are common criminals.


Everyone in the Northeast US is watching the drilling and fracking close, no environmental laws are being broken. Most of us love the outdoors, we do not want to hurt the environment, even if no one was watching.

I have been on rigs in other countries working for a major US oil company, the country didn't care about the environment, we could have done major damage to the environment, but we operated at the same standards that we would have on US soil.

Catfish man, What do you want to know about Snow blowers? Catfish you might wanna finish your profile so we don't think this blog is the only reason your on here.

 

[Catfish Man]

The wife and I are grappling with this issue now. We have received numerous queries in the mail from the drillers to lease out land. Trying to gather factual info so we can make an intelligent decision. Unfortunately, Pa was caught flat footed with this shale gas boom so they have very little in the way of regulations. Seems to be no shortage of horror stories out there and I'd like to separate the "wheat from the chaff". We depend on a well for our water and I sure don't want that compromised. To me the crux of the problem is the frac fluid. The drillers don't divulge what chemicals are used in the process. So if you find that your well has been contaminated, how do you prove it was the from the drilling? Also, how do you obtain a baseline water analysis that will stand up in court in the event your well is contaminated? I don't know if any govt agency in my area does analysis for private wells. Sorry for rambling.

Make sure you are dealing with an actual gas company, and not a land grabber. Getting a baseline water test, can't hurt if it makes you feel better.

As I said, I have relocated my family to WV, and yes I'm drinking water from a well.

My wife is friends with a girl that lives so close to a gas well (that I worked on), you can throw a rock and hit the well from her house. The well has recently been fracked. I have no hesitation about going over there and drinking the water.

I'm not saying there will never be a contaminated water well, **** fertilizer runoff from fields contaminate wells. What I'm saying is, don't let a couple of horror stories scare you away.

 

[Bird]

well I guess I am wrong about the gas industry, everyone working for them is a college graduate and we know that that makes them superior to the masses.
My being run off the road by large trucks must have been in my dreams
My neighbors are secretly working for the drillers and not telling the rest of us
The bands of strangers snooping around private property are just lost tourists
The realtor was a fake and that is why they discourage those near drill sights about selling property
The water tester was trying to scare me about finding 10% of the water wells becoming polluted after the gas drilling.
The private property being condemned for pipe lines is because the land owners are just hard headed and want a fair price for what is theirs.
And since most all the workers are local I guess the Williamsport police were mistaken
PA: Illegal Aliens working for GPX Survey in Williamsport
I am also wrong about getting a lawyer to examine the contract they tried to get me to sign, He was lying because they are college graduates and would never ever try to cheat someone
In Conclusion I wish to apologize to offending the highly educated honest fair environmentally friendly drillers
Please forgive me

As I said before, you sure paint with a broad brush. You may have met some bad people in that business so you've decided they're all bad. Well, I guarantee I could find some bad people in your line of work, so if I use the same thought process that you do, then I'd have to conclude that you're just no good. Now, wouldn't that be a bit ridiculous on my part?

 

[Catfish Man]

Catfish man, What do you want to know about Snow blowers?

Before I come here, I knew VERY little, but I'm learning more everyday. Getting ready to pull the trigger on a B2920 bota with a front mounted blower.

As I said, I'm not trying to start trouble, I'm just trying to educate about stuff I have been around all my life and attended numerous hours of schooling on.

 

[Bird]

I'd guess there must be a lot of natural gas activity in the Williamsport area. That's where my grandson has been on a temporary assignment the last couple of weeks, but he works for a different company than the one the police raided for illegal immigrants.

 

[joemd11]

This is one of those hot button topics where passion on both sides can run high. I'm just going to get as much FACTUAL information as I can before I make a decision - hopefully the correct decision. This is a timely and important thread which I intend to follow closely.

 

[murphy1244]

This is one of those hot button topics where passion on both sides can run high. I'm just going to get as much FACTUAL information as I can before I make a decision - hopefully the correct decision. This is a timely and important thread which I intend to follow closely.

Get your water tested, The county might do it. Cisterns cost Mark 15000.0 and he didn't even profit from a well.

 

[RoyJackson]

...then I'd have to conclude that you're just no good.

Well, he ain't no good...he can't figure out if he's from MD or PA!! Has a Kioti too...that's like being the spawn of Satan (just joking, Lockhaven).

I'm about 125 miles south of Williamsport but I was up there a couple weeks back. Seems like the folks I talked to either loved the fracking, or hated to whole thing...wasn't much middle ground.

 

[joemd11]

I'd guess there must be a lot of natural gas activity in the Williamsport area. That's where my grandson has been on a temporary assignment the last couple of weeks, but he works for a different company than the one the police raided for illegal immigrants.

Bird, I heard somewhere that Williamsport is the fastest growing city in the country:confused2:. Imagine that!

 

[Catfish Man]

I'm just going to get as much FACTUAL information as I can before I make a decision - hopefully the correct decision. This is a timely and important thread which I intend to follow closely.

That is a very wise decision, the problem is I have seen bogus information being spewed from both sides, for someone that is not familiar with the industry, I can imagine how confusing it would be.

I'm not trying to sway things one way or the other here. If all of these states banned drilling and or fracking today, I would be on a plane to Africa to work before the ink was dry on the paper.

 

[joemd11]

That is a very wise decision, the problem is I have seen bogus information being spewed from both sides, for someone that is not familiar with the industry, I can imagine how confusing it would be.

I'm not trying to sway things one way or the other here. If all of these states banned drilling and or fracking today, I would be on a plane to Africa to work before the ink was dry on the paper.

Thanks for the input Catfish. Info from those that actually work in the industry, and aren't at the very top (you don't own one of these companies do you), is much appreciated.

 

[Catfish Man]

No I'm a loooong way from owning a company.

If anyone has any specific questions I will be glad to answer them to the best of my ability.

I'm mainly involved with the drilling side of things, I'm usually gone before the fracking, completion and production begins. However I do know a fair bit about it just from being around the industry.

 

[Short Game]

To me the crux of the problem is the frac fluid. The drillers don't divulge what chemicals are used in the process. So if you find that your well has been contaminated, how do you prove it was the from the drilling?

There has been suggestions that the frackers are using this process as a cover for disposing of hazardous chemicals that simply need to be gotten rid of. Of course, with the exemptions from federal clean water law, and their so-called "proprietary" formulas, we might have a "because they can" situation here. When those big Halliburton tankers lined up to drive into the site down the road, no one here, or the workers on the rig for that matter, had any good ideal of what substances the fluids being pumped into the ground were comprised.

There in Central Arkansas where the bird kills happened up the same little road as the fracking well, and the earthquake swarm halted the drilling operations, we are left to make our best guesses what's been done below our feet in secret.

 

[Egon]

Information on Earth Quakes.

Arkansas Earthquake Swarms, New Madrid or Natural Gas? - Modern Survival Blog – surviving uncertain times

http://www.geology.arkansas.gov/maps_pdf/geohazards/CentralArkansasMediaMap.pdf

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/03/01/fracking-earthquakes-arkansas-man-experts-warn/

Wasn't there a time the Mississippi Flowed backwards. wondering how the Reelfoot lakes came about?
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[Catfish Man]

 

[Bigfoot62]

well I guess I am wrong about the gas industry,. . . Please forgive me

OK!

What? did I take your words out of context? That's not fair?

As Bird suggested, you paint with broad strokes. You cite a handful of troublemakers in an industry that represents millions of employees. I don't think that's fair either.
BTW, I'm a truck driver, and I don't ever recall running you or anyone else off the road.

This is one of those hot button topics where passion on both sides can run high. I'm just going to get as much FACTUAL information as I can before I make a decision - hopefully the correct decision. This is a timely and important thread which I intend to follow closely.

The truth often lies somewhere between the extremes.

Just realize that fracking a well, 2 or 3 miles down, deep in the earth, is a LONG way from the aquifers where we draw our drinking water.

 

[Wayne County Hose]

The Marcellus drilling doesn't bring local jobs? Google "Leeward Construction." They just had a huge ad in the local paper very specific that they needed loads of people for Susquehanna County Pa due to Marcellus gas construction. If all goes well, I will retire from my current job at the end the year at the ripe old age of 46. Drill baby drill. Actually well is in, waiting on the feeder line.