Hydrogen from water to get 25% more mpg in gas engine.

[coffeeman]

Hi there

Here we go again.

Guy claims to improve gas milage about 25% extracting hydrogen from water as we drive. I guess it's a scam. What do you folks think?

BMC Introduces the H²O Atomizer

Something is gonna happen in the form of a breakthrough. There are a lot of people now working on things. probably the best will come from someones back yard garage.

Cheers

 

[DrainPondDesign]

Even if it only took (it doesn't) the same amount of energy to split water into hydrogen and oxygen as you would get back recombining it back into water by burning it in your engine the net energy gain would be zero.

Considering that their conversion process, your engine and alternator are all less than 100% efficient it sounds like the best you could hope for would be not to ruin your engine.

There was a water spray used in aircraft engines around WW2 but I believe that it was to cool combustion during full throttle to prevent detonation (knock) & did not split the water into hydrogen & oxygen.

Your mileage may vary

 

[Big_Charlie]

There was a water spray used in aircraft engines around WW2 but I believe that it was to cool combustion during full throttle to prevent detonation (knock) & did not split the water into hydrogen & oxygen.

Your mileage may vary

The AV8-B Harrier Jump Jet uses water injection to cool the jet engine while in hover. It only carries enough water for a couple of minutes of hover though.

This looks like a great big scam to me. The fact that it says it only uses a pint of water for every few thousand miles just sounds like it can't possibly be producing enough H2 to be useful as a fuel.

 

[Egon]

I was all set to order a unit for my tractor when I noticed it require 25 amps and the tractor dynamo only puts out 15 amps. Bummer

 

[KICK]

you got a better chance of running you engine by converting beans into methane.

 

[coffeeman]

I kinda agree will all of the above. So, how do they get away with it? I think my son-in-law ran across this offer because they are selling one on Ebay. I'm not sure though.

About 30 years ago I read a newspaper article about some guy who had done something to a small ford that improved his gas mileage to like 70 mpg. It was reported he drove from Titusville, Fla. to Washington D.C, He wanted to show it to Congress or something like that. I never heard anything since. Of course, the story always: Some oil company bought the idea and buried it. Sometime you just wonder.

Cheers

 

[cp1969]

This country was built on scams--Social Security, for instance. That's what makes it so great...scams are limited only by human imagination and gullibility (which is apparently unlimited).

 

[jayhaitch]

Social security a scam? "Dang, they're on to me."

How about the ultimate scam: fractional reserve banking. I think we should go back to male deer hides. At least they were always worth a buck.

 

[rickmacheske]

Well....there is no reason that you can't split water into hydrogen. It's done all the time. All it takes is energy. If you could harness the wasted energy that an engine produces to split water into hydrogen then you could have a container of hydrogen. What you would use the hydrogen for in a diesel engine, I have no idea. My Kubota burns diesel, not hydrogen. Hmmm....maybe you could carry around an oxidizer and turn your tractor into a rocket, lol.... Hmmm...what size nozzle do I need for that?

 

[DieselPower]

Bruce Crower of Crower Cams has been working on a 6 stroke engine. It adds two strokes to a conventional engine in which water is injected into the cylinder thereby turning the additional two strokes into (more or less) a steam engine.

Directory:Crower's Six-Stroke Engine - PESWiki

There is actually alot of interesting technology going on in the engine field. Everything from modern steam engines to 92 % efficient gun engines to almost 100% efficient Rotary Compressed-Air Motor's.

Directory:Engines - PESWiki

 

[coffeeman]

Bruce Crower of Crower Cams has been working on a 6 stroke engine. It adds two strokes to a conventional engine in which water is injected into the cylinder thereby turning the additional two strokes into (more or less) a steam engine.

Directory:Crower's Six-Stroke Engine - PESWiki

There is actually alot of interesting technology going on in the engine field. Everything from modern steam engines to 92 % efficient gun engines to almost 100% efficient Rotary Compressed-Air Motor's.

Directory:Engines - PESWiki

Interesting stuff here. I really gotta say; I don't know if I imagine this, but there is a lot of research going on today. It will probably be some guy working in a backyard garage that sees something and developes it. It will be a breakthrough that will send gasoline back to a quarter a gallon + tax. The sad part, the oil companies will still make a lot.

Cheers

 

[dsgsr]

There must be something NEW on the horizon, cause the oil companies are making ALL the money they can NOW.

David

 

[DieselPower]

Something people in this country seem to forget is just how cheap oil and gas is. Try going to some other countries some time. You will appreciate the dirt cheap prices here in the US.

 

[slowrev]

Something people in this country seem to forget is just how cheap oil and gas is. Try going to some other countries some time. You will appreciate the dirt cheap prices here in the US.

Yeah, but many other countries have better mass transit than we do.

 

[DieselPower]

But that's our fault, not theirs. If "We the People" had told Uncle Sam decades ago that we wanted more fuel effecient vehicles and better mass transit systems we wouldn't be in the mess we are in currently. The problem was we have alway's had dirt cheap petroleum and got accustomed to it. Now that prices are increasing everyone is starting to feel it in their wallet. We here in the US have a problem, the problem is the bigger is better complex. Bigger cars, bigger trucks, heck, bigger everything for that matter. Look at other what I call oil poor countries like Great Britian, Germany, China.... for decades they have been using small fuel effecient vehicles if not bicycles while here in the US we were content with our cars the size of M1 Abram tanks that used as much fuel in one day as cars in other countries used in a week or more. We really need to start doing a better job of concerving the recources we have before they are gone or out of our price range.

 

[MikePA]

Yeah, but many other countries have better mass transit than we do.

Other countries are not as spread out as we are, not to mention the govt subsidies of mass transit systems. Plus 'we' do have mass transit systems where they make sense, e.g., cities and the surrounding suburbs. Even in these situations, they lose money.

Pittsburgh, PA is a good example of a failed mass transit system. They have bus, trolley and subway systems, but they are still losing money right and left and, yes, they want more money or they are threatening to cut more routes. The tax payers across PA are being asked to subsidize the Pgh mass transit system with their tax dollars.

If someone wants to buy a big SUV and feed it, that's their business, not mine and not the government's business. When/if people grow tired of feeding the big SUV, they will change their behavior.

 

[MikeD74T]

If you want to run your vehicles on hydrogen there's semi-practical technology today on the FEMA website (and others). Look for wood gasification. MikeD74T

 

[cp1969]

But that's our fault, not theirs. If "We the People" had told Uncle Sam decades ago that we wanted more fuel effecient vehicles and better mass transit systems we wouldn't be in the mess we are in currently. The problem was we have alway's had dirt cheap petroleum and got accustomed to it. Now that prices are increasing everyone is starting to feel it in their wallet. We here in the US have a problem, the problem is the bigger is better complex. Bigger cars, bigger trucks, heck, bigger everything for that matter. Look at other what I call oil poor countries like Great Britian, Germany, China.... for decades they have been using small fuel effecient vehicles if not bicycles while here in the US we were content with our cars the size of M1 Abram tanks that used as much fuel in one day as cars in other countries used in a week or more. We really need to start doing a better job of concerving the recources we have before they are gone or out of our price range.

There is no need to tell Uncle Sam anything. He doesn't sell cars or fuel. If the market wants small cars, someone will produce them. It seems as though the market does not want small cars, at least not yet. If fuel prices were really starting to affect people, you'd think the first thing they would do would be drive slower. I have yet to see that, so from my perspective, fuel is apparently still a bargain for most folks.

It is NOT a bargain for me but I don't want the Government to artificially make it one or mandate what I drive. I'll take care of that myself.

Another thing I've learned...just because I can't afford something doesn't mean it's overpriced.

 

[Highbeam]

The comparison of fuel prices in other countries is meaningless unless you consider the bigger picture. What portion of that fuel price is taxes? and does our low fuel price balance with an equivalent tax increase? I pay a large state sales tax. My state funds road projects from their general tax revenue. Perhaps these other countries fund their road projects from gas tax alone.

I am predicting hydrogen to be the next fuel. We can burn it in our gas engines with minor modifications. We can make it from water, sea water with electricity. And we can make electricity with nuclear reactors or hydroplants. I am not afraid of nuclear power, I have walked the deck of many nuclear powered battleships and know how clean, quiet, and dependable the output is. It just takes high prices to drive people to change. The technology is here.

 

[Iplayfarmer]

I am not afraid of nuclear power...

AMEN!!!

Name any other energy source where you can actually contain and store all of the waste/byproducts.

It's the cleanest source of energy we have.