MossRoad
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Hydro's and brake pedals
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MossRoad
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But I don't have that problem on mine! We were just pointing at the problem on yours.
Note to self:
Never drink milk while reading posts by jenkinsph.
RobertN
Super Member
Maybe part of it is expierience?
I grew up in Jeeps, and have been on too many really hard trails to have a worry about that. If they were really that important in sticky situations, then every Jeep and Toyota running Rubicon would have them
I grew up in Jeeps, and have been on too many really hard trails to have a worry about that. If they were really that important in sticky situations, then every Jeep and Toyota running Rubicon would have them
RobertN
Super Member
What confusion is there?
I don't need them. I do not require them. The tractor is just fine, hunky dory perfect. For me.
What you are claiming is exactly what I said. Your OPINION.
My OPINION, based on my needs, requirements, and use, is different. And right.
So buy and use the tractor that fits your needs, desires, requirements, dreams...
I think that is what some parts of this thread have been; someone thinks it is a bad design because it does not meet their particular needs. And they portray that as a fact, when it is in fact an opinion.
IMHO, again
I don't need them. I do not require them. The tractor is just fine, hunky dory perfect. For me.
What you are claiming is exactly what I said. Your OPINION.
My OPINION, based on my needs, requirements, and use, is different. And right.
So buy and use the tractor that fits your needs, desires, requirements, dreams...
I think that is what some parts of this thread have been; someone thinks it is a bad design because it does not meet their particular needs. And they portray that as a fact, when it is in fact an opinion.
IMHO, again
MossRoad
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What confusion is there?
I don't need them. I do not require them. The tractor is just fine, hunky dory perfect. For me.
What you are claiming is exactly what I said. Your OPINION.
My OPINION, based on my needs, requirements, and use, is different. And right.
So buy and use the tractor that fits your needs, desires, requirements, dreams...
I think that is what some parts of this thread have been; someone thinks it is a bad design because it does not meet their particular needs. And they portray that as a fact, when it is in fact an opinion.
IMHO, again
The point of the thread is not if someone needs them or not. Heck, my current tractor has NO brakes at all and I love it. The point of the thread is if it is a good design to have the brakes on the same side as the direction pedal irregardless of if you need them or not.
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RobertN
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It is not a bad design. It supports a market segment in which I fit.
The JD design is not a bad design. It fits a market segment in to which others fit.
I kind of go back to my Jeep, and those I grew up in. Based on this thread, Jeeps have a poor design for the single brake pedal. I could have used steering brakes to maneuver scary tight rocky trails much much more than on a tractor. Squeezing between rocks, maneuvering thru mud, up on two wheels...
If I were to redesign anything on my tractor, steering brakes would not be on my list. I would redesign it with lots more HP(newer ones do have over 30hp, as compared to my 19HP. And, I would make TnT standard on the tractor. And, a standard larger alternator.
I would even consider limited slip diff's before changing the brakes. And adding 4 wheel brakes so you don't slide down hill when in 2WD.
The JD design is not a bad design. It fits a market segment in to which others fit.
I kind of go back to my Jeep, and those I grew up in. Based on this thread, Jeeps have a poor design for the single brake pedal. I could have used steering brakes to maneuver scary tight rocky trails much much more than on a tractor. Squeezing between rocks, maneuvering thru mud, up on two wheels...
If I were to redesign anything on my tractor, steering brakes would not be on my list. I would redesign it with lots more HP(newer ones do have over 30hp, as compared to my 19HP. And, I would make TnT standard on the tractor. And, a standard larger alternator.
I would even consider limited slip diff's before changing the brakes. And adding 4 wheel brakes so you don't slide down hill when in 2WD.
RobertN
Super Member
Yes. The OP stated his tractor did not go where he pointed it on occasion. He understood there were steering brakes and they may help, but questioned if on the next tractor if he should get one with brakes and HST on separate sides.
It has been discussed how the HST and brakes on the same side can be used. Also discussed that it is important to some that they be on separate sides because of how they use their tractor, and in some cases what the poster was used to from other tractors.. There were also posts that it could be driving style, or load balance of the tractor which affected it's use.
The thread evolved, however, to "Is it a bad design?" and in some cases, "It IS a bad design".
I believe the design is fine based upon my personnel needs and opinion. For others, it may not be, and in some instances, is not, a good design for their needs. You'll note, I included IMHO in some of my later posts, because, they were, in my own humble opinion, based on my personal requirement.
Some here have pretty much stated that it is, in fact, a bad design. It is not a fact, it is their opinion, of which there are many. That is where I see things here. It's not fact, it is opinion. In some cases this design may not meet their criteria. It does not make it a bad design, it just means they may need to use a different design to meet their criteria.
In regards to the OP, "if" I had similar issues issues as noted, then I would consider my driving style, and decide on a tractor with a brake layout that met my driving style and personal requirements.
It has been discussed how the HST and brakes on the same side can be used. Also discussed that it is important to some that they be on separate sides because of how they use their tractor, and in some cases what the poster was used to from other tractors.. There were also posts that it could be driving style, or load balance of the tractor which affected it's use.
The thread evolved, however, to "Is it a bad design?" and in some cases, "It IS a bad design".
I believe the design is fine based upon my personnel needs and opinion. For others, it may not be, and in some instances, is not, a good design for their needs. You'll note, I included IMHO in some of my later posts, because, they were, in my own humble opinion, based on my personal requirement.
Some here have pretty much stated that it is, in fact, a bad design. It is not a fact, it is their opinion, of which there are many. That is where I see things here. It's not fact, it is opinion. In some cases this design may not meet their criteria. It does not make it a bad design, it just means they may need to use a different design to meet their criteria.
In regards to the OP, "if" I had similar issues issues as noted, then I would consider my driving style, and decide on a tractor with a brake layout that met my driving style and personal requirements.
RobertN: Did you even read the original post????
chevyman29
Silver Member
just because a certain % of the market uses tractors with that design doesnt mean its a good design . that doesnt prove anything other than the tractor is good enough to over look a poorly designed pedal arraingment. just because it works for u dont prove its a good design i think most people are defending it mainly cause its on there tractor.
RobertN
Super Member
I think you miss my point.
What you are stating is your opinion. It is not fact.
I would not argue that steering brakes are a bad thing, or that nobody needs them.
What you are stating is your opinion. It is not fact.
I would not argue that steering brakes are a bad thing, or that nobody needs them.
