Hypertherm 30 vs Hobart 40i for first plasma cutter.

   / Hypertherm 30 vs Hobart 40i for first plasma cutter. #1  

Hersheyfarm

Veteran Member
Joined
Sep 13, 2009
Messages
1,078
Location
NE ky
Tired of not having one. Which do is better in your opinion. I want the 120v option for portability if I ever need it but will use it on 240 mainly. I have shop air but would like the pre installed air dryer and compressor.
 
   / Hypertherm 30 vs Hobart 40i for first plasma cutter. #2  
NO QUESTION
Buy Hypertherm made in US by owners of company who care about what dey make or buy china made thing and wonder why you not buy Hypertherm.

Onboard compressor gonna leave you disappointed.

Plazma like wife Not something man should buy widout test driving.
 
   / Hypertherm 30 vs Hobart 40i for first plasma cutter.
  • Thread Starter
#3  
Thought Hobart was made here.
 
   / Hypertherm 30 vs Hobart 40i for first plasma cutter. #4  
I like my Hypertherm powermax air 30. I haven’t used the other.
110 volts gets things done but it’s a beast when running on 220!
 
   / Hypertherm 30 vs Hobart 40i for first plasma cutter. #5  
Hobart & Miller & Smith are all owned by ITW all Pacific product getting only enough US labor to paste US Made label on de box.
 
   / Hypertherm 30 vs Hobart 40i for first plasma cutter. #6  
I would definitely splurge and go Hypertherm if you can swing it. I debated between the 30XP, 30Air, but when the 45XP came out and I tried it firsthand at Fabtech, I decided on the 45XP.

Reasons behind my decision...

1. I decided I would rarely if ever, use a PC outside my 240v shop environment... so 110v wasn't a requirement. That has proved out.

2. The 30Air I ruled out for same reason. Have a 60gal compressor in my shop.

3. Between the 30Air and 30XP, the XP has 50% more cutting power (because the Air needs power to drive the internal compressor)

4. I wanted future expandability to use in a CNC table. Felt the 30XP would be too slow. 45XP can accept a table torch.

5. I seriously doubted the 30Air ability to provide enough 'dry' air with the little onboard compressor and still cut fast enough.

6. Cost... 30Air about $300 more than XP for an onboard compressor and less power.


See also:

Hypertherm Powermax3 XP vs. Hypertherm Powermax3 AIR | ShopWeldingSupplies – ShopWeldingSupplies.com

From Hypertherm website:

30XP vs 30Air.jpg
 
   / Hypertherm 30 vs Hobart 40i for first plasma cutter. #7  
I agree, go with the Hypertherm if you can. I have a 1000 model I bought from my sister when my BIL passed away a few years ago. It's a beast and will cut 3/4" no problem. Consumables are readily available for them, and are reasonably priced too, at least they are for my HT1000. Good, dry shop air is a must too.
 
   / Hypertherm 30 vs Hobart 40i for first plasma cutter. #8  
Hypertherm's consumables are excellent. Note that the 30Air though does not accept the 'fine cut' consumables that the XP model can use IIRC.
 
   / Hypertherm 30 vs Hobart 40i for first plasma cutter. #9  
The Hobart has a built in compressor I believe. That would use up power, especially on 110 volts. I have a Miller 375 Xtreme. Dual voltage, only used on 220 though. I use a Motorguard filter, as you must have dry air.
 
   / Hypertherm 30 vs Hobart 40i for first plasma cutter. #10  
I bought a Hypertherm Powermax 30 Air a couple years ago and love it. It is handy because all you need to do is plug it in and go to work.

We have a couple of these at work for smaller stuff. Simple to move them from one shop to another or take them up on a scissor lift. They are not the go to machines for slicing 1” steel, but they are really handy.
 
   / Hypertherm 30 vs Hobart 40i for first plasma cutter. #11  
Thought Hobart was made here.

That is becoming questionable.... The new Hobart 200i (or i200) inverter combo welder (Stick/TIG/MIG) is reported made in China.... Information came up on Hobarts Weld Talk and it was not denied by local Hobart Expert...

Dale
 
   / Hypertherm 30 vs Hobart 40i for first plasma cutter. #12  
Hobart - ITW product origin was established in 2004 when management screwed up and ran out of wire drive assemblys made by another ITW company in the Far East. Dey tried blowin smoke including givin false info to ROCK who ran de show. Dey got BUSTED by fellow who did his homework.

Dat led to evacuation of Weld Talk and WeldingWeb lighting up.

Hobart ain't been American made since dey started paintin de machines white.

ITW is BS & Empty Promises.
 
   / Hypertherm 30 vs Hobart 40i for first plasma cutter.
  • Thread Starter
#13  
Ended up with the hyprtherm 45xp. What痴 a good air dryer/filter for this thing.
 
   / Hypertherm 30 vs Hobart 40i for first plasma cutter. #14  
Motor Guard filter. Easily replaceable, large filter medium. Can be dried out and reused, takes a long time. Keep spares on hand.
 
   / Hypertherm 30 vs Hobart 40i for first plasma cutter.
  • Thread Starter
#15  
So I messed around just a little with it. Here’s a 1/2” ar500 bar I cut through. I am going to have to practice cause this thing just burns right through stuff. I find myself pausing to try to see the plasma tail.9601C8D6-5990-4923-8DEE-4431EE42B0C5.jpeg
 
   / Hypertherm 30 vs Hobart 40i for first plasma cutter. #16  
So I messed around just a little with it. Here’s a 1/2” ar500 bar I cut through. I am going to have to practice cause this thing just burns right through stuff. I find myself pausing to try to see the plasma tail.View attachment 679377
Dang fun... isn't it? I do the same trying to gauge my speed by looking at the tail and not focusing on a constant speed drag. I might look into investing in a tool to better roll along with so the tip doesn't get hung up and jerky. It has be a dream cutting with my 45xp.
 
   / Hypertherm 30 vs Hobart 40i for first plasma cutter. #17  
You think arguments about welding get rough, compressed air drying makes rod fight look like a happy day at daycare.

Just 1 filter just ahead plasma not going to cut it. Compressed air roaring toward nozzle at warp speed no single device got enough time to pull water out. Not even refrigerated dryer unless it discharging into tank before machine.

15+ years back Franzinator popped up on Hobart, sits between compressor and tank and knocks water out of air by rapid cooling. Biggest temp change available der. Naturally 1000 fools post how can't, won't engineering school all over place. Men who built Franzinator say it works. 15 years down road pretty much every post on www says it works.

Water leaving compressor in either vapor or micro drop, gets slammed into cold surface condense, water don't hit wall has to make 180 turn and more falls out, what stays hits second cold wall above inlet and more condenses all in less den 10th of second.

OK, so now air in tank at colder and drier condition, but tank so big most air don't encounter room temp cold wall and water rides along. Airstream goes into pipe to machine. Pipe usually up on wall so most genius run T down from pipe to air connector. WRONG, Lot of water sitting in pipe relaxing and waiting. Air line generally not flowing so water has time to grab recliner on bottom of pipe. Air starts to flow, water rides along. Air pipe needs to be tapped going UP and stream needs to make 2 turns to go down to outlet. Dat leves water in recliners in horizontal. Best if water has drip leg to hang out in, but dat too much trouble for most 'system designers'.

Now comes war between what best next. DOH, where you live makes big difference.. You on Louisiana coast you got 10 times water of guy in Arizona. Nice thing, plenty salesmen waiting to sell you der crap er I mean fine product. Hustler A got fine Chink plastic spinner, Hustler B got plastic housing holds special toilet paper, and Hustler C got hunk of pipe full of special beads.

Guess what? You can make your own way better and way cheaper. Situation got so bad Hypertherm included detector in machines to display "Insufficient air". Biggest problem, machine innards get plugged up wid toilet paper fibers dat get like concrete.
How you solve dat? You find small scintered metal filter dat plugs up before machine plugs and install at machine air inlet.

Want to make your own absorbant silica gel dryer, you can. Hunk of pipe, handful of fittings and bag of silica gel kitty litter. You get actual real bragging rights instead of just being another guy who Master Carded cause he can't build squat.

Want to know easy way to minimize water coming into compressed air system? Put air intake more den 13 feet above ground, higher if you in valley wid lot of fog. Remember tho, intake line gotta be bigger den inlet of compressor. At least twice diameter of compressor inlet.. 2" PVC good starting point and minimize number of elbows.

Whole bunch of tricks to compressed air.
 
   / Hypertherm 30 vs Hobart 40i for first plasma cutter. #18  
I love my plasma cutter, even if it's the Harbor Freight version... I cut through some random scrap yard steel making a bracket like butter then tried drilling a couple holes through it and realized it was something hard after I burned up the first bit then tried another with similar success... :)

If possible I use a guide and just watch the back side to see if it is going out at just a slight angle. For a guide I have been using the Harbor Freight magnet bars spaced away appropriately (10mm in my case) for straight cuts, it makes things look very nice...
 
   / Hypertherm 30 vs Hobart 40i for first plasma cutter. #19  
I love my plasma cutter, even if it's the Harbor Freight version... I cut through some random scrap yard steel making a bracket like butter then tried drilling a couple holes through it and realized it was something hard after I burned up the first bit then tried another with similar success... :)

If possible I use a guide and just watch the back side to see if it is going out at just a slight angle. For a guide I have been using the Harbor Freight magnet bars spaced away appropriately (10mm in my case) for straight cuts, it makes things look very nice...
gotta love plasma!
 
   / Hypertherm 30 vs Hobart 40i for first plasma cutter. #20  
gotta love plasma!

Till you run it at Carbide or other ceramic manufactured metal. Give it try, you ain't gonna hurt de machine or de carbide.
 

Marketplace Items

Enclosed Service Truck (A55788)
Enclosed Service...
2016 KOMATSU D65PX-18 BULL DOZER (A58214)
2016 KOMATSU...
2022 CATERPILLAR 299D3 SKID STEER (A60429)
2022 CATERPILLAR...
20FT X 12FT LIVESTOCK METAL SHED (A58214)
20FT X 12FT...
1998 Mazda B2500 (A57149)
1998 Mazda B2500...
2416 (A60432)
2416 (A60432)
 
Top