Hypothetical Doomsday Scenario

/ Hypothetical Doomsday Scenario #101  
I bet most if not all of those shot at the movies in Colorado were "super consumers" and so to make the world a better place through protecting the environment the nice man with a gun removed some of the spoilers of our pristine world. And the difference between this and you yearning to push the button is what?

Pat

Good Morning, I went out last night and worked on the tractor and came away enjoying the outdoors. Visited with the neighbor and all is right with the world.
You asserted again in your post that someone pushing a button would kill millions? Why is that necessary? Who says that will occur?
I would never want to use the tragedy of Aurora to make any point - but it was pointed out again this morning - that the movie theater is a gun-free zone, and Aurora has strict gun laws already. Perhaps if the patrons had the ability to defend themselves - the tragedy could have ended sooner. The real issue is the known event - the bad guys ignore the rules.
There are always different ways to look at any situation.
 
/ Hypothetical Doomsday Scenario #102  
I think a lot of people that are alive today should not be alive...survival of the fittest has turned into being a parasite on society nowadays. This is an unsustainable path. I think the market will push "the button" long before any human would ever have the chance to do that. Big changes in lifestyles are coming and it isn't going to be for the better. We have created a world where reality takes a back seat to some fantasy dreamed up by our politicians and those that continue to elect them for "free" stuff and so that the gov't will always take care of them.

My $0.02

Social Darwinism. The concept of survival of the fittest no longer apply.
 
/ Hypothetical Doomsday Scenario #103  
I studied trying to create such a button for a day or two. It is pretty hard to accomplish that because it seemed to take a great deal of power. And the triggering was destructive to the device being contemplated, and it did involve an explosive too. So feasibility was in doubt, and so was practical covert deployment. And the vehicle targeted could go out of control, whereas I only wanted to destroy automotive stereo system.
 
/ Hypothetical Doomsday Scenario #104  
There are plenty of real buttons all over the world that could be pushed just a matter of time. I am more concerned with the real life aspect of surviving one of those just sayin... my .002 ymmv as always
 
/ Hypothetical Doomsday Scenario #105  
Yes life was more difficult as far as medical and survival. The technology trend is whats scaring me. Right now technology is steering towards total control of each and every human being on earth. Facebook and such is just in its infancy as are drones etc. All of these are designed to controll you. Sure its not meant to be that way at the moment but what happens when you have 7 billion people connected? Movie trend usually depicts technology suddenly becoming self aware and wiping out humans-while that may be possible, the most likely scenario is that a few humans or the one human will use it to take over the world and abolish freedom in order to stay in power.

I tell you as an information technology specialist that I see the trend with technology and the trend is for the supposad good of mankind and its supposed to make mankinds life easier but its not. I work 50 60 hours a week and I am constanly on call so I have no life thanks to technology. I can only look forward to retirement if the stress and lack of sleep doesnt kill me first.

Enjoy life and what freedom you have-especially you youngsters just getting into life because technolgy will be the method used to enslave the many by only a few.

I dont blame technology itself just the few who will use it to control the many-its the human way. Not just computer technology but medical technology as well. Alot of people I know are on some type of mind altering drug already.

I want freedom, I want individuality, I want purpose-I dont want to be a zombie of technology and our stupid government.
 
/ Hypothetical Doomsday Scenario #106  
I think a lot of people that are alive today should not be alive...survival of the fittest has turned into being a parasite on society nowadays. This is an unsustainable path. I think the market will push "the button" long before any human would ever have the chance to do that. Big changes in lifestyles are coming and it isn't going to be for the better. We have created a world where reality takes a back seat to some fantasy dreamed up by our politicians and those that continue to elect them for "free" stuff and so that the gov't will always take care of them.

My $0.02

Not to get too far off subject here, but this is "the button" I was referring to. Things will be changing and you will get to see first hand what happens in urban areas (and other areas, of course) when society starts to break down. I don't think it is going to be pretty and this is much milder than "the button" the OP is referencing.

The world economy faces considerable uncertainty in the short term. Will the eurozone manage to sort out its problems and avert a breakup? Will the United States engineer a path to renewed growth? Will China find a way to reverse its economic slowdown?

The answers to these questions will determine how the global economy evolves over the next few years. But, regardless of how these immediate challenges are resolved, it is clear that the world economy is entering a difficult new longer-term phase as well one that will be substantially less hospitable to economic growth than possibly any other period since the end of World War II.

Regardless of how they handle their current difficulties, Europe and America will emerge with high debt, low growth rates, and contentious domestic politics. Even in the best-case scenario, in which the euro remains intact, Europe will be bogged down with the demanding task of rebuilding its frayed union. And, in the US, ideological polarization between Democrats and Republicans will continue to paralyze economic policy.

Indeed, in virtually all advanced economies, high levels of inequality, strains on the middle class, and aging populations will fuel political strife in a context of unemployment and scarce fiscal resources. As these old democracies increasingly turn inward, they will become less helpful partners internationally less willing to sustain the multilateral trading system and more ready to respond unilaterally to economic policies elsewhere that they perceive as damaging to their interests.

Meanwhile, large emerging markets such as China, India, and Brazil are unlikely to fill the void, as they will remain keen to protect their national sovereignty and room to maneuver. As a result, the possibilities for global cooperation on economic and other matters will recede further.

This is the kind of global environment that diminishes every countryç—´ potential growth. The safe bet is that we will not see a return to the kind of growth that the world especially the developing world experienced in the two decades before the financial crisis. It is an environment that will produce deep disparities in economic performance around the world. Some countries will be much more adversely affected than others.

Those that do relatively better will share three characteristics. First, they will not be weighed down by high levels of public debt. Second, they will not be overly reliant on the world economy, and their engine of economic growth will be internal rather than external. Finally, they will be robust democracies.

Having low to moderate levels of public debt is important, because debt levels that reach 80-90% of GDP become a serious drag on economic growth. They immobilize fiscal policy, lead to serious distortions in the financial system, trigger political fights over taxation, and incite costly distributional conflicts. Governments preoccupied with reducing debt are unlikely to undertake the investments needed for long-term structural change. With few exceptions (such as Australia and New Zealand), the vast majority of the worldç—´ advanced economies are or will soon be in this category.

Many emerging-market economies, such as Brazil and Turkey, have managed to rein in the growth of public debt this time around. But they have not prevented a borrowing binge in their private sectors. Since private debts have a way of turning into public liabilities, a low government-debt burden might not, in fact, provide these countries with the cushion that they think they have.

Countries that rely excessively on world markets and global finance to fuel their economic growth will also be at a disadvantage. A fragile world economy will not be hospitable to large net foreign borrowers (or large net foreign lenders). Countries with large current-account deficits (such as Turkey) will remain hostage to skittish market sentiment. Those with large surpluses (such as China) will be under increasing pressure including the threat of retaliation to rein in their �ercantilist policies.

Domestic demand-led growth will be a more reliable strategy than export-led growth. That means that countries with a large domestic market and a prosperous middle class will have an important advantage.

Finally, democracies will do better because they have the institutionalized mechanisms of conflict management that authoritarian regimes lack. Democracies such as India may seem at times to move too slowly and be prone to paralysis. But they provide the arenas of consultation, cooperation, and give-and-take among opposing social groups that are crucial in times of turbulence and shocks.

In the absence of such institutions, distributive conflict can easily spill over into protests, riots, and civil disorder. This is where democratic India and South Africa have the upper hand over China or Russia. Countries that have fallen into the grip of autocratic leaders for example, Argentina and Turkey are also increasingly at a disadvantage.

An important indicator of the magnitude of the new global economyç—´ challenges is that so few countries satisfy all three requirements. Indeed, some of the most spectacular economic success stories of our time China in particular fail to meet more than one. It will be a difficult time for all. But some think Brazil, India, and South Korea will be in a better position than the rest.

ゥ Project Syndicate

About Dani Rodrik

Dani Rodrik is Professor of Political Economy at Harvard Universityç—´ John F. Kennedy School of Government and the first recipient of the Social Science Research Councilç—´ Albert O. Hirschman Prize. His latest book is One Economics, Many Recipes: Globalization, Institutions, and Economic Growth.

The New Global Economy
 
/ Hypothetical Doomsday Scenario #107  
I'm not surprised this thread has gotten to see who could urinate higher on the wall.

But it is a thread that should get y'all thinking.

Do you have enough food, fuel, water etc to last a year? My Grandfather was a Mormon and instilled that in me. Then once I had my "year" of supplies built up, I just started "rotating" the supplies.

Nowadays I also need the ammo and firepower to protect it, and I'm working on that.

If TSHTF I, and many of my nearby close relatives (doctors and dentists) are ready. If the transformers fry we've got generators and fuel. If the "hordes" come we've got the firepower for protection. Of course I'll probably start breaking the law by killing some deer OUT OF SEASON that are around my workshop.

But I am surprised at the amount of whining going on here.
From the OP:

There is a satellite network which is capable of permanently shutting down all electrical machinery and appliances of any kind. The satellite network is controlled by a computer, which is controlled by a small hand-held remote device.

Enter a code then push a button and that's it. No electrical power grid, no TV, no internet, no cell phones, no cars, no nothing. We would effectively and permanently be thrown back into the stone age within seconds.

Would you push the button?

Now I didn't read WHERE it was laid out how someone could
permanently shutting down all electrical machinery and appliances of any kind
if it's not running at the time. Most EMP scenarios I know of rely on the equipment being connected or running. But from some brief readings it seems there's a high likelihood my tractor and diesel non-computerized vehicles would work. My Jetta TDI would be toast.

So how many of y'all have equipment that won't be affected? A years supply of food, meds and fuel? And the weaponry to protect it.

If you don't it's time to stock up. Unless you don't plan on living another year and will never use it up.
 
/ Hypothetical Doomsday Scenario #108  
I am there been a prepper since before prepping was cool just made perfect sense to be ready for anything I could prepare for within reason.
 
/ Hypothetical Doomsday Scenario #109  
I am there been a prepper since before prepping was cool just made perfect sense to be ready for anything I could prepare for within reason.

Plan for the worst, hope for the best, and try to steer in between the rocks.
 
/ Hypothetical Doomsday Scenario #110  
One of the reasons I'm on this site is because I want to turn the property we have into a place that produces a good amount of food and away from urban areas strictly because I do see the need for it as society continues to break down around me...
 
/ Hypothetical Doomsday Scenario #111  
I am a former Spec Ops soldier, I trained to survive in low tech situations, but honestly at 60 though relatively healthy I have enough issues to realize I'd die fairly early in the process. So would the vast majority of preppers, doubters, believers and non commiteds.
You can prepare for a storm you may even be able to prepare for a limited war, but they call it doomsday for a reason. Now we all like to think we could defend our family and our stores of goods, but truth is those lazy city folk will be highly motivated by starvation and more than willing to sacrifice a few rows of urbanites to overrun your compound.
Yes, you can survive a snowstorm, hurricane, or heatwave, but total breakdown of tech, ain't happenin' Homey! There's a reason for the chart below and it ain't magic;

Life expectancy in the USA, 1900-98

men and women;
Life expectancy in the USA, 1900-98
 
/ Hypothetical Doomsday Scenario #112  
Randy has a good point we are going to die anyway but I would add to that the old saying is "you dont plan to fail you simply fail to plan" true yes?!
 
/ Hypothetical Doomsday Scenario #113  
MasseyWV said:
There is a satellite network which is capable of permanently shutting down all electrical machinery and appliances of any kind. The satellite network is controlled by a computer, which is controlled by a small hand-held remote device.

Enter a code then push a button and that's it. No electrical power grid, no TV, no internet, no cell phones, no cars, no nothing. We would effectively and permanently be thrown back into the stone age within seconds.

Would you push the button?

Re-read the original post... It has NOTHING to do with being prepared, it asks if you had the power, would you single handedly destroy technology(and the lives of millions along with it)?

That is why I suggested a slightly different question in my first response...

ljohnson778 said:
Perhaps a better question for you to ask would be: If there was a disaster that rendered technology as we know it inoperable, how would you cope? Here's how I might cope... Etc.
 
/ Hypothetical Doomsday Scenario
  • Thread Starter
#114  
Re-read the original post... It has NOTHING to do with being prepared, it asks if you had the power, would you single handedly destroy technology(and the lives of millions along with it)?

That is why I suggested a slightly different question in my first response...

You just couldn't let it rest could you? Given the timing and content of your response, it seems to me that you're attempting to bait me into more pointless debating so you can stroke your own ego. Sorry, but I'm not biting. Besides, I thought you said you were going to bow out of this thread.

I think I'll bow out of this thread before it gets too ugly. I think I'll go talk about tractors...
 
/ Hypothetical Doomsday Scenario #115  
MasseyWV said:
You just couldn't let it rest could you? Given the timing and content of your response, it seems to me that you're attempting to bait me into more pointless debating so you can stroke your own ego. Sorry, but I'm not biting. Besides, I thought you said you were going to bow out of this thread.

Ha ha, you read far too much into my post. I have nothing against you, in fact I was quite humbled by your quest to save your cat. The truth is, my response was in reference to all of the posts recently about preparedness for 'the end of the world as we know it' when your original post simply asked whether anyone would cause the event or not.

My position is, I will prepare for the worst, hope for the best, and not dwell on the unknowable. So, to answer your original question, I certainly would not push the button.

(in hindsight, I probably could've rephrased my earlier posts in a less antagonistic fashion)

Well wishes to all,
Larry
 
/ Hypothetical Doomsday Scenario #116  
Now I didn't read WHERE it was laid out how someone could if it's not running at the time. Most EMP scenarios I know of rely on the equipment being connected or running. But from some brief readings it seems there's a high likelihood my tractor and diesel non-computerized vehicles would work. My Jetta TDI would be toast.

So how many of y'all have equipment that won't be affected? A years supply of food, meds and fuel? And the weaponry to protect it.

If you don't it's time to stock up. Unless you don't plan on living another year and will never use it up.


Close - have fuses to replace or circuits to reset since the pulse will likely fry/trip those as well. But basic machinery should function once power is restored.
Note, only shielded military vehicles will survive - the majority of them will be as uselss as your TDI
 
/ Hypothetical Doomsday Scenario #117  
Creekbend,
Your comment regarding checkers and chess is also a derogatory swipe at one with inferior intellect.
IMO, the OP has not changed his position, merely answered his own question - that he might.
Your straw dog about your mother is a shame, but also proves the OP point - that mankind survives. Why you believe that the experience of your father or your mother allows your opinion to carry more weight than another's though I do not know. You state flatly that the OPs position is indefensable - yet I would argue your certainty.
Why is it that the Allies were permitted to carpet bomb civilian population centers in Germany, and wage absolute and total war on Germany/Japan - thereby sending them back to the "stone age". Because such action was deemed necesary for humanity. But why in Vietnam, Korea, Iraq have we not obliterated cities as in Dresden? Why was my family in Germany permitted to have our home destroyed, but my family in the US not? Such experience certainly makes me see multiple points of view - but not to state absolutes that because of my experience my position is superior.
Are Germans less of a people then the Iraqis? The Vietnamese?
Such discussion is irrelevant to this commentary.
You answered the point - you would not push the button.

I counter with a question to all - WHY do you believe that such an event would force mankind into devouring itself? New Orleans? Upstream areas flooded and there were no riots and looting. Tornadoes destory Joplin - and there is no rioting, no looting? In 2003, the NE United States and Canada suffered a massive blackout for days - no electricity, no cell phones, no fuel pumps.....and yet - the National Guard wasn't called out - the military wasn't destroyed - and only minor events occurred (of course in cities).

So why are you so quick to state that mankind would turn on itself like wolves? Perhaps we can teach the city folks how to clean a chicken, or grow some food, or how to shoot (at game - vs each other)?

You are so quick to see the negative and feel govt is all that protects you from being devoured. Someone once said something about people see others through their own perceptions and how they beleive they would react. Perhaps you should examine your perceptions.

典here are two types of people who will tell you that you cannot make a difference in this world: Those who are afraid to try themselves, and those who are afraid that you will succeed.
Ray Goforth
It is certainly apparent that you have a definite tendency to intercede when the post is or was not directed toward you. Are you over endowed with ESP? How do you know what I meant in regards to Checkers and Chess? You stated, "is also a derogatory swipe at one with inferior intellect". That was your assumption based on your comment, not mine. I challenge you to find proof in my posts regarding your accusation. I even stated that I regard the OP as a fairly decent individual. Conceitedness is not an attribute, therefore you shouldn't attempt to intercede when the post was not directed at you. How dare you even mention my Mother in your reply. This is between you and me now. Game on. Bring it on. Hit me with your best shot. Just for your info, I mentioned the struggle that my Mother lived through as an example that Pushing The Button would result in many deaths from starvation. attn# Blitzn--Don't you ever attempt to read something into my post that wasn't there. And don't ever mention my Mother again. Understood? Yes, it is a Free Country, but I am not protecting myself behind this keyboard. My home town is clearly visible. Anytime you want to visit, give me a call. My area is full of Southern Hopitality and MANNERS. Just a thought.
 
/ Hypothetical Doomsday Scenario #118  
toppop52 said:
I am a former Spec Ops soldier, I trained to survive in low tech situations, but honestly at 60 though relatively healthy I have enough issues to realize I'd die fairly early in the process. So would the vast majority of preppers, doubters, believers and non commiteds.
You can prepare for a storm you may even be able to prepare for a limited war, but they call it doomsday for a reason. Now we all like to think we could defend our family and our stores of goods, but truth is those lazy city folk will be highly motivated by starvation and more than willing to sacrifice a few rows of urbanites to overrun your compound.
Yes, you can survive a snowstorm, hurricane, or heatwave, but total breakdown of tech, ain't happenin' Homey! There's a reason for the chart below and it ain't magic;

Life expectancy in the USA, 1900-98

men and women;
Life expectancy in the USA, 1900-98

I think you are right. Might as well die with your boots on though.
 
/ Hypothetical Doomsday Scenario #119  
I'd go down in flames, no doubt about it, but I'm not ignorant enough to think I could survive long term in that scenario. When I was 30 and if I avoided the diseases that would be rampant for a few years, then maybe I could live to the ripe old age of say 40-45 if things went well for me. For people to believe they could survive for more than a few years is unrealistic. A few would and there would eventually be reproduction, but the population would be tiny for centuries and if you met a person that was born 20 years after the event, when that person was 20 years old, you would not be able to communicate with him/her. You would have no understanding of that reality nor they of yours.
 
/ Hypothetical Doomsday Scenario #120  
Hi, I'm back. Can any of you pro button pushers explain to me the desirability of killing millions of human beings in the hope of somehow having everything just turn out peachy keen and fine in the long run when it didn't work so far. What would be so very different regarding humans and their desires and abilities the next time around or the next after that or the next after that or... ? This assumes the button pushers of the world would keep pushing the button hoping next time will work. Supposedly with an infinite number of monkeys sitting at typewriters eventually at least one of them will type out the entire collected works of Shakespeare so similarly, in theory, given an unlimited time frame eventually a perfect world would just happen. Of course since there is no consensus on what constitutes a perfect or even acceptable world, someone will want to push the button again.

I am fully in agreement in principle with much of what the button pushers claim is to be gained. I really am but I am totally convinced pushing the button will not achieve the lofty goals mentioned. I'd love a world of eternal brotherhood where never is heard a discouraging word and the skies are not cloudy all day and we all raise our own organic veggies and live off the grid. I just don't think it is going to happen and killing millions in the attempt sounds a lot like "the final solution" you may have heard of but substituting anti-tech green in place of Aryan.

Pat
 

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