I can't believe they did it !

[RUSTBUCKET BRONCO]

reading all these "what ifs" i just keep thinking who gets this ball rolling in the first place...."what if that person doesn't try to steal from me"

Rust

 

[paulfun9]

READ the the quote I was replying to.

I did and he says nothing about shooting trespassers, the neighbors children or dog.
He shares my feelings that a thief should have no rights if they are actively engaged in theft. You are reading something into his statement that simply isn稚 there and assuming he is going to sit in a hidden location and simply shoot at anything that moves.

His stance on having to back away from somone who is threatening you is also spot on so unless the neighbors kid is coming at you with a weapon or threatening you? He will be spared!

What I find most amusing is all the advice and opinions given from so many people who have never really experienced having someone swing a bat at thier head, stared down the barrel of a gun or had to help pick up the pieces of some poor girls life who has just been raped.

I don’t mean to sound rude but I would really like to take some people and place them in a real bad situation and then see the difference in thier thought process afterwards?
It is one thing to guess at what you would or should do but until you’ve been there done that, maybe the decision on how to best handle it should be left to those of us who have the scars both physically and emotionally from it decide. Not talking about during the confusion time that follows the first few months to a couple years depending on the experience but rather the time it took to learn to live with the fact you killed someone or crippled them for life.

 

[ovrszd]

Well stated Paul.

 

[Dftodd]

Back when I installed alarm systems I would have a customer who had their store broken into about every 6 weeks.

Perp would steal a car and run it through their store front. Load up on electronics and haul butt before the police arrived.

I used to get numerous butt chewing from this guy because the alarm system didn't prevent the break in.

I pointed out the alarm system did do its job. It notified the monitoring company of the break in. They immediately called and notified the police. Police arrived within 10 minutes of the alarm going off.

If he wanted to prevent the break in, they needed to prevent someone from driving through the front of the store. Decorative concrete or block planters at the start of the sidewalk would do the trick. Just needed to be sturdy enough and close enough together to prevent someone from driving between them.

Customer said their landlord wouldn't allow it. I said it would be a good time to find a way to break the lease then and move into a more secure location. And I would appreciate not being yelled at for something out of my control. Especially since my equipment is working as intended.

 

[Jstpssng]

Back when I installed alarm systems I would have a customer who had their store broken into about every 6 weeks.

Perp would steal a car and run it through their store front. Load up on electronics and haul butt before the police arrived.

I used to get numerous butt chewing from this guy because the alarm system didn't prevent the break in.

I pointed out the alarm system did do its job. It notified the monitoring company of the break in. They immediately called and notified the police. Police arrived within 10 minutes of the alarm going off.

If he wanted to prevent the break in, they needed to prevent someone from driving through the front of the store. Decorative concrete or block planters at the start of the sidewalk would do the trick. Just needed to be sturdy enough and close enough together to prevent someone from driving between them.

Customer said their landlord wouldn't allow it. I said it would be a good time to find a way to break the lease then and move into a more secure location. And I would appreciate not being yelled at for something out of my control. Especially since my equipment is working as intended.

There's always one of those in every crowd.

 

[kenmac]

Make no mistake...I have empathy and I would be very upset if it happened to me (and it has!). A few things to think about though...law enforcement are not attorneys. I had to look up SDF insurance as I'd never heard of it. Apparently attorneys who will represent you in event you get sued. Least expensive rate $12.50/month or $150/year. SDF insurance is no protection from inappropriate use of deadly force or injury. This is good to read:

A Closer Look At A Big Question: When Can You Legally Shoot Someone In Self-Defense? – Concealed Nation

True. it won't protect you from illegal use of deadly force.

Having said that. I have a good friend , where someone broke into his home while he was there. My friend had his truck keys. on the counter. The guy that broke in saw his keys, grabbed them and headed for the truck.
My friend heard all of this grabbed his gun, and ran outside.

The guy jumps into the truck cranks it and takes off. My friend managed to get in front of the truck and aim his gun at this thief.

The thief continued and tried to run over my friend. My friend fired 6 shots into the truck hitting the driver and killing him.
SDF represented him . The DA declined to press any charges.
Turns out, this guy that broke in and stole his truck had been arrested several times, for breaking in, thief, drugs, etc,etc,

I happen to be a member of a large gun rights group in my state. So, I'm able to obtain a years coverage of SDF for $60.00

 

[kenmac]

Getting back from the serious to the trivial - Zantac and generic Ranitidine (same thing) are on recall presently. An online pharmacy that tests everything found the same impurity, that caused the recall of an unrelated high blood pressure prescription drug. Something about a solvent used in making all brands of ranatidine remains in the finished product, unexpectedly, and can break down into something cancer-causing. Total recall now across all brands. Find some other antacid!

Yeah, I knew it had been recalled. This was an old bottle that had been in the vehicle glove box for some time. I had planned to throw it out.

 

[Doofy]

Yeah, I knew it had been recalled. This was an old bottle that had been in the vehicle glove box for some time. I had planned to throw it out.

Oh my, time to repurpose some old Ex-Lax in to Hershey Bars to leave as decoys. heh heh

 

[Atchuuu]

True story.
Back in the early 1970s I worked for a burglar alarm company "Night And Day Security". I was the alarm installer, I'm a retired electronic technician.
A customer called one day he had a small engine sales/service business and had several break-ins at night. Since it was in a fairly large open shop we decided to install a motion detector, advanced technology for back then. Basically I hung a section of conduit down from ceiling in middle of room to a cigar sized box on the end, about 8 ft. up so as not to get in way of anything. When movement was detected anywhere it energized a relay which went to a telephone dialer. Dialer you could put in up to three numbers so I* had it dial the police, shop owner and my boss. It had a microphone on it so answering the phone you could hear what was going on. Also it activated a cassette tape player which my boss had recorded* a message on. Cassette player also had a loudspeaker on it.
At 5pm as I was installing the system it was closing time and I finished everything except for the electric key switch. I told shop owner everything will work tonight, just twist these two wires together, I'll be back in morning to install switch.
Next morning I show up and he starts shaking my hand..."we got them" he says. He went on to say about midnight his phone rings and he hears* "This is Night And Day Security. You have been detected and there are six remote controlled pistols aimed at you now. Follow these instructions. Carefully and slowly lay on the floor, hands behind your back. Do not move, the police are on the way".
When the police arrived three guys were laying on the floor, hands on their backs saying "turn it off! Please turn it off!"
He said a back window was broken and they had grabbed a couple chain saws when alarm went off.

They must have been dumber than the "average" dumb criminal

 

[Atchuuu]

Just reading this thread makes me never want to leave my freedom in the hands of 12 of my "peers".

Watch the video below and half of you will think this is a clear cut case of self defense. The other half will think the shooter was clearly out of line and shooting the hypothetical "unarmed child trespasser" mentioned above.

Florida Man Who Shot And Killed A Black Man Over Parking Dispute Gets 2 Years : NPR

Florida Man Who Killed During Parking Dispute Gets 2 Years | Time