I tipped my Kubota!

[REt92]

I am sure this has been said before but none of these small utility tractors have anywhere near enough weight on the back. Loaded tires is not enough either. Loaded tires plus wheel weights helps but the best is weight hung out behind on the 3pt. I can still bring the back of my L5740 off the ground with wheel weights and 1400# on the 3pt.

Took the new to me JD3005 with a 300 fel for a quick drive on daughters pasture. I have mowed it with old 1010 for 11 years. It is not level, but not too hilly. I did not feel at ease like I do with the old tractor. tires are loaded, and the largest for that model. Does heavy ballast at the 3PH stabilize them sideways???

 

[kcfarm]

Looking at the front of the engine, which direction do I turn the engine crank shaft? (Clockwise or counter clockwise?)

Thanks.

 

[Ken45101]

Took the new to me JD3005 with a 300 fel for a quick drive on daughters pasture. I have mowed it with old 1010 for 11 years. It is not level, but not too hilly. I did not feel at ease like I do with the old tractor. tires are loaded, and the largest for that model. Does heavy ballast at the 3PH stabilize them sideways???

Stability is mostly provided by the rear tires. Note how the front axle floats up and down, side to side, on uneven ground.

So yes, stability is provided by the rear tires and yes, weight on the 3pt helps stability. Also, make sure the tires are set to maximum width, especially the rear tires.

Ken

 

[Dead Horse]

Looking at the front of the engine, which direction do I turn the engine crank shaft? (Clockwise or counter clockwise?)

Thanks.

To be absolutely certain look at the configuration of the fan blade. turn the engine in the direction that would have the fan pulling air through the radiator.

 

[bunchgrass]

Not to down play the significance of the risk of rolling over but working on hillsides is part of the reality of farming. The uncomfortable feeling is often the operator sensing the lean because your head is much higher than the center of gravity of the tractor (and your butt sliding on the seat) - usually well before you're near rolling it over. Still - as many have said already low and slow AND keep an eye out for changes in pitch of the hill. Watch for gopher/badger holes too.


Out here the wheat farmers run "hillside combines" that have self-levelers on them - hydraulics that keep the body of the combine level while the wheels and header stay on the hill's contour.:confused2:

 

[KTAC]

For anyone that has insurance through Kubota, don't worry about getting a tow truck or waiting for an adjustor to come out. We work with your Dealer so you don't have to worry about delays or dealing with someone that may not care if you are satisfied with your "Kubota" experience. Call your Dealer A.S.A.P. and ask them to come pick it up then you need to call us to file the claim (800-348-5802). We will contact the Dealer and have them send us the cost of repair and the cost of transportation... that's it. We usually have the money to the dealer for the repair before the parts are there! :thumbsup:

PS - Glad to know you are okay!

 

[PHILIP8N]

Looking at the front of the engine, which direction do I turn the engine crank shaft? (Clockwise or counter clockwise?)

Thanks.

Clockwise from front. 99.99% of all engines turn the same direction, CCW (left hand rotation for old timers) when viewed from the flywheel (pto) end. All of Kubota engines are CCW from flywheel. Philip.

 

[kcfarm]

Clockwise from front. 99.99% of all engines turn the same direction, CCW (left hand rotation for old timers) when viewed from the flywheel (pto) end. All of Kubota engines are CCW from flywheel. Philip.

Thanks.

 

[CurtisC]

We sure hope you are ok, and secondly your tractor is OK, You already know not to crank the engine without proper check out. Check battery for cracking/spillage, Best to take it out, and look under it for seepage. Its a hard lesson, and I am sorry you had to learn it. Proper ballast, never lift the loader when it has a load unless you are stopped like loading a dump truck or something, always always carry a load as low as possible. But you already know these things. I only post them for the sake of others. I would let the wrecker driver decide where to attach, Most of them have a lot of experience and a lot of common sense about such things. I believe the Kubota insurance will pay off, but there is still the deductable for you. Again I sure hope you are all ok, as any damage to the machine can be fixed pretty easily.

James K0UA

Most understand the rules but may not apreciate why things can go south so quickly. A few basic principals behind why you should keep the load low to the ground and set it down fast if you get that about to float feeling from the rear of the tractor:
With the front axle mounted on a lateral pivot bearing, normal tractor rollover stability comes from the rear wheels only. When they get light or worse case lift off the ground , not only are you pivoting back to front on your front axle but you now free the tractor to pivot without restriction sideways on the axle pivot the moment the center of gravity (cg) of the tractor mass plus FEL load mass finds itself off laterally the vertical from axle pivot. You might hit the 1 in a million chance they actually line up (for a moment or two) - otherwise you're going over. Once you start to tip, the farther machine rotates to one side the farther the total tractor cg moves outboard from the axle pivot vertical and the more righting moment or force it takes to stop the process. Also the higher the FEL load cg (raising the height of the total tractor cg) the faster/farther the combined cg moves outboard for every degree of rollover rotation you go thru. In other words once you start to go over, you'll not only keep going over but will probably pick up speed unless you can quickly dump the FEL load and put load back on the rear wheels effectively moving your stability tipping point outboard of the total tractor plus load cg . Obviously there's a point of no return where once you've tipped far enough your total cg has traveled outboard the stability cg envelope of the tractor and your going over no matter what.
Point is if the rear wheels are up you effectively have no side to side stability and you should plan on rolling over sideways until the load is back on the ground either because you put it there or the tractor put it there the only other way it knows how...

 

[Shooter45]

For anyone that has insurance through Kubota, don't worry about getting a tow truck or waiting for an adjustor to come out. We work with your Dealer so you don't have to worry about delays or dealing with someone that may not care if you are satisfied with your "Kubota" experience. Call your Dealer A.S.A.P. and ask them to come pick it up then you need to call us to file the claim (800-348-5802). We will contact the Dealer and have them send us the cost of repair and the cost of transportation... that's it. We usually have the money to the dealer for the repair before the parts are there! :thumbsup:

PS - Glad to know you are okay!

Another reason I chose the Kubota ins. over my homeowners ins. :thumbsup:

 

[FTCKUBOTA]

I can tell you from experience that the kubota insurance is the best. It is more than just insurane it is peace of mind....

just my 2cents

 

[Johnbro]

I ALMOST flipped my 4240 last summer, if I hadn't instinctively dropped the FEL I would have had a big problem (where it happened quite likely would have impaled me on a fence post when it rolled). My prior tractor could never lift enough weight with the FEL to make it feel unsteady (of course it had loaded tires). Now that my tires in my 4240 are recently loaded and moved to the widest position I think it will be much more stable.

WRT to hydrolocking your engine. If you pull the injectors or even mostly unscrew them (to keep crap out of the cylinder head) you should be able to easily turn the engine over by hand or with a wrench on the front pulley--you will have no compression so there will be little resistance. You'll know right away if you have a problem because engine oil will squirt out the injector holes under pressure.

My old sailboat hydrolocked twice when siphon breaks failed in the plumbing--sailboats have their engines below the waterline so it's easy to flood them if a $3 part stops working correctly. This was a time-honored Perkins 4-107 50HP diesel engine. I loosened the injectors and hit the starter. Talk about a mess--seawater squirted all over the place from the cylinder heads. Had to change my engine oil and filters about 11 times to make sure everything was copacetic but the engine ran fine.

BTW the way I found out it was hydrolocked is the starter wouldn't turn the engine over. I guess I'm amazed that a starter with a 12 volt battery can bend a pushrod, as others have reported.

Finally, WRT engine rotation--someone said check to see which way the engine would turn to pull air past the radiator. I believe on my tractor the fan pushes air forward through the radiator, rather than pulling it through like on a car. I believe most heavy equipment works this way to help clear dust and debris from the front of the radiator. I learned this when I was doing some clearing years and years ago and the dozer operator parked his dozer right up by the fire so the engine fan would blow air on the fire to keep it going.

 

[Shooter45]

Finally, WRT engine rotation--someone said check to see which way the engine would turn to pull air past the radiator. I believe on my tractor the fan pushes air forward through the radiator, rather than pulling it through like on a car. I believe most heavy equipment works this way to help clear dust and debris from the front of the radiator. I learned this when I was doing some clearing years and years ago and the dozer operator parked his dozer right up by the fire so the engine fan would blow air on the fire to keep it going.

I'll have to look and double check but I'm pretty sure that on my l3240 the fan pulls air from front of tractor. I say this because I remember peeling leaves off the grill last w/e while the engine was running.

 

[kcfarm]

My MX5100 draws air through the radiater as there is debris on the front screen.

The weather looks good tomorrow. I will try to get the tractor started then. Good to have all this advise.

 

[jakell2010]

How did you make out?,,,,do you have KTAC?, I'd let them address it

 

[David Devuono]

My Kubota has a decompression knob. Not sure if they all have one but if so I have to wonder if pulling the decompression knob while cranking would be enough. My Kubota is the smallest one I think they ever made. I have saved it many times except once, but its easy to right a 1200 lb baby Kubota. Anyway I don't have a joy stick so with my twin spool I just have to push down to drop the bucket which I am getting good at. My Kubota is only 40 inches wide.

 

[Ken45101]

My MX5100 draws air through the radiater as there is debris on the front screen.

That makes sense. If they put a debris screen on the radiator, I would think it surely means that the fan draws it through the screen before the radiator.

 

[RoyJackson]

Took the new to me JD3005 with a 300 fel for a quick drive on daughters pasture. I have mowed it with old 1010 for 11 years. It is not level, but not too hilly. I did not feel at ease like I do with the old tractor. tires are loaded, and the largest for that model. Does heavy ballast at the 3PH stabilize them sideways???

It depends on what you use for ballast.
A ballast box does help...just keep it low. There's no need to raise it anymore then 5-6 inches off the ground.
A long implement, like a rotary cutter, would not be good ballast...too much weight too far out. You don't want to use any implement that extends too far.

Have you tried mowing with your loader off? Not just the bucket off....that makes it worse.

As Ken45101 wrote...have the wheels set in the widest position and the rear tires filled. As the 3005 has a fixed ROPS, make sure you use your seatbelt too.

 

[Ken45101]

A long implement, like a rotary cutter, would not be good ballast...too much weight too far out. You don't want to use any implement that extends too far.

I do not see where that is a problem. The further out the weight, the more effective it is. My 7' cutter is a more effective counterbalance than my 7' box blade even though I think the BB is the same weight or a little heavier. The only issue I see is that I have to watch more carefully where the rear end is if I am maneuvering in tight quarters.

I'm curious as to why you see an extended weight as a problem.

Ken

 

[foreman Etexas]

Glad u are okay!!If you have the insurance why not just get a roll-back to carry to the dealer(trained mechanic)?If you do start and mess it up worse,is that going to going to affect what your insurance is going too cover?Just wondering,thats why I thought we had it there for...And seems that it will also be alittle lighter bill the insurance has to cover,not having to buy new motor or parts.It will be just tearing yours down and making sure all is good before the green light.